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Scenario: What would happened if there were evidence disproving God's existence?
Facez:
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--- Quote from: THETRUTHUG on May 07, 2010, 12:04:56 AM ---dont be mad cause i dont belive in this ..
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More probable then the religious equivalent
Religious people often think that the universe working perfectly is proof of a god, but the fact is that this couldn't have happened if it didn't work the way it did.
Pre-Big-Bang History is hard to determine but the leading theory right now is that we live in a multi-verse, a higher plain of existence consisting of an infinite amount of universes.
This leads people to think that the thing that triggered the big bang was 2 other universes collapsing in each other and creating our universe.
Allot of these universes probably contain nothing.
Another theory is that - just like stars- the universe will implode at the end of it's lifetime. The force of this implosion could've easily created the big bang.
In an Einsteinian sense you could see the universe as God.
There is nothing is incorrect as well, when this universe started to be there was hydrogen & helium. These gasses were pulled together by gravity to create stars.
The stars started burning these elements creating heavier & heavier elements, creating the periodic table.
These heavier elements were later shot into the universe when the star imploded.
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That's the thing though, these theories neglect to answer the burning question of where did "matter and energy"come from? Scientists have come up with all of these theories as to how our universe might have came into existence, but can never explain this, they can claim that our universe originates from other universes or helium and hydrogen but scientists know that there had to be a beginning and that the first law of thermodynamics states that matter/energy can not be created or destroyed. I mean I believe in God and by God I don't mean some old grandpa in the clouds that is often depicted in cartoons but a supreme being/force far beyond our comprehension. And that is the main reason why a lot of people believe in God, I mean that is the cornerstone of many belief systems; in the beginning was God and God created the heaven and the earth, science can only attempt to show us how this might have happend.
which goes back to the original question, I don't think that it is even possible to disprove God's existence, whether God has been disproved is subjective i mean how maybe if the question was what do you think would happen if everyone one day just woke up and stopped believing in God? To that I would say I believe there would be chaos, especially in the other parts of the world who's government/economy or peace between one another are based on religious doctrine. just my opinion.
13th Duke:
The title of the thread is quite funny.
Matty:
--- Quote from: 13th Duke on May 08, 2010, 09:55:20 AM ---The title of the thread is quite funny.
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indeed. i'm not advocating any particular flavour of 'god', but the idea of us proving or disproving anything like that with our current level of science. the idea of evidence runs contrary the concept in the first place.
ikke:
--- Quote from: Facez on May 08, 2010, 09:40:04 AM ---That's the thing though, these theories neglect to answer the burning question of where did "matter and energy"come from? Scientists have come up with all of these theories as to how our universe might have came into existence, but can never explain this, they can claim that our universe originates from other universes or helium and hydrogen but scientists know that there had to be a beginning and that the first law of thermodynamics states that matter/energy can not be created or destroyed. I mean I believe in God and by God I don't mean some old grandpa in the clouds that is often depicted in cartoons but a supreme being/force far beyond our comprehension. And that is the main reason why a lot of people believe in God, I mean that is the cornerstone of many belief systems; in the beginning was God and God created the heaven and the earth, science can only attempt to show us how this might have happend.
which goes back to the original question, I don't think that it is even possible to disprove God's existence, whether God has been disproved is subjective i mean how maybe if the question was what do you think would happen if everyone one day just woke up and stopped believing in God? To that I would say I believe there would be chaos, especially in the other parts of the world who's government/economy or peace between one another are based on religious doctrine. just my opinion.
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What you call "God" atheists like myself believe in to.
We just don't see it as something beyond our comprehension or even something supernatural.
You seem to be believing in something like a metaphorical God (also known as Einsteinian), which isn't really a "God" but a name for all the forces that control the universe.
You think they aren't comprehensible but what if it is?
That's what science is trying to do, trying to understand "God."
Even if you are right - and we will never understand the universe - you have to at least try.
If we just find out a little bit about how the universe works, it's time well spend.
Knowledge Reigns Supreme
I believe in the Einsteinian "God" but call myself an atheist because it's not a real "God."
Triple OG Rapsodie:
--- Quote from: Facez on May 08, 2010, 09:40:04 AM ---That's the thing though, these theories neglect to answer the burning question of where did "matter and energy"come from? Scientists have come up with all of these theories as to how our universe might have came into existence, but can never explain this, they can claim that our universe originates from other universes or helium and hydrogen but scientists know that there had to be a beginning and that the first law of thermodynamics states that matter/energy can not be created or destroyed. I mean I believe in God and by God I don't mean some old grandpa in the clouds that is often depicted in cartoons but a supreme being/force far beyond our comprehension. And that is the main reason why a lot of people believe in God, I mean that is the cornerstone of many belief systems; in the beginning was God and God created the heaven and the earth, science can only attempt to show us how this might have happend.
which goes back to the original question, I don't think that it is even possible to disprove God's existence, whether God has been disproved is subjective i mean how maybe if the question was what do you think would happen if everyone one day just woke up and stopped believing in God? To that I would say I believe there would be chaos, especially in the other parts of the world who's government/economy or peace between one another are based on religious doctrine. just my opinion.
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Our society and technology hasn't advanced to the point where we can explain/prove everything that happens in the universe yet. But please tell me how it makes sense to construct a supernatural deity, on the basis of nothing, just because you can't explain something.
Think about all the people in history who believed in witchcraft and magic because they didn't know how to explain everything that happened. And now we laugh at those idiots because they were ignorant. What makes religion any smarter of a conclusion? It's sad how though we consider ourselves smarter than our ancestors, we use the exact same logic to explain things we don't know for sure.
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