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Why LeBron Will NEVER Be Kobe...Cleveland is FINISHED.

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Jaydc:
You know that 90 percent of your posts contain the word kobe?Dont you see you have a problem?You need help.

U.N.T.O.U.C.H.A.B.L.E.:

--- Quote from: Jaydc didnt do it,that bitch is lying. on May 13, 2010, 09:43:39 PM ---You know that 90 percent of your posts contain the word kobe?Dont you see you have a problem?You need help.

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anyone noticed how the nba didnt have one single commercial with kobe & lebum this time around lmao..... 

Javier:

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--- Quote from: Javier on May 13, 2010, 08:37:33 PM ---There is no such thing as clutch, players don't magically become better in the last minute or last quarter.  
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That is honestly about the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Some players do get more nervous when a shot/series/play means more...they don't play as loose, becuase their is more pressure on them. Some players play better in those circumstances, because they become even looser when they have more to prove. The latter is far rarer than the former...and this applies to any profession (not just sports).

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Of course of course it's the "dumbest" thing you've heard.  I mean that's why Alex Rodriguez was seen as the biggest choke job in the playoffs, yet somehow he magically produced the way he does in the regular season in the playoffs last year leading the Yankees to a World Series.  Did A-Rod get balls before the 2009 playoffs?  Did he get medication to play more loose?  Did he get laid right before a game?  ZOMG the possibilities!  The answer is, well he just happened to perform like his normal self in the playoffs.  This type of shit happens!  It's called streaks, sometimes they happen in the playoffs sometimes they happen in the regular season.

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To say there's no such thing as "clutch" is just dumb, man, and you gotta understand where i'm coming from. Of course, some players who usually fold under pressure might face the pressure calmly at some point. Or it could also be that there are some players who don't always fold under pressure..maybe it depends on the mood they're in as they're facing the pressure. But, really, there's no doubt about it, some players are clearly more prone to folding under pressure, while some are more prone to intensifying their game under that same pressure, and performing at higher levels when there's more at stake. It's really not debatable...PeACe

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There's a difference between clutch moments and the idea of clutch players.  The idea that some players are more prone to do X in this situation than Y is just in your head.  This type of stuff is hard to analyze, you can't easily put it in stats and you can definitely not call it out with your eye.    When I said there's no such thing as clutch, I basically mean that clutch isn't easy to spot, quantify, or whatever.

Javier:
Here's a perfect example of how things can change with "clutch" stats from one year to the next

These are stats where the game is in the 4th quarter or overtime and neither team ahead of 5 points or more

2008-2009 top 3 in Pts/48 min

Kobe Bryant: 56.7 46%
Lebron James: 55.9 55%
Carmello Anthony: 54.4  57%

2009-2010

Lebron James: 66.1 49%
Kobe Bryant: 51.2 44%
Dirk Nowitzki: 47.2 45%


Our eyes are deceiving and tend to just look for stuff that we agree upon before hand. 

Meho:
This is coming from someone who's a neutral fan of NBA, without any favorite team. There's obviously something going on with Lebron and his play off games. We've seen it happen like 3 years in a row now. Cleveland is killing it in the regular season and than completely fails in the play offs. And exact opposite with Kobe. Lakers usually "suck" (for their standards) in the regular but step it up in the play offs. And it's funny to me how people can't see that Kobe really is indeed a clutch player and that Lebron chokes on the regular. At first I thought, ok, he's still young etc. but now this shit happened 3rd time in a row. I'm not saying Lebron is solely to blame but still... And I think Lebron is an amazing player but there's a difference between a great player and basketball icons... and yeah rings do matter.

It's same with other sports. Take tennis for example... Federer always plays average to the finals, while guys like Murray, Verdasco, Djokovic play great but then completely choke in the finals.

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