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Why LeBron Will NEVER Be Kobe...Cleveland is FINISHED.
TraceOneInfinite:
--- Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on May 04, 2010, 01:50:02 PM ---
Lebron is known as a guy who makes those around him better...more so then Kobe. Again, other then by Kobe fans. Kobe fans tend to think that everyone who recognizes LeBron being better then Kobe....are LeBron fans. When in reality...you have Kobe fans who typically are Laker fans as well, who think Kobe is better. Then you have a majority of any other fans....regardless of their favorite team, who think LeBron is better. Which opinion is more biased...u tell me. Is Kobe a great player. Of course. Will he be a HOF'er? Of course. But there is a reason the expectations for LeBron are so much higher then what the expectations were for Kobe, at this stage of his career. Kobe is at the point of trying to break into that top 10 players all time. LeBron is expected to be competing for greatest player of all time. Who knows if he will ever reach that level. Thats a bit far off still. But Kobe was never expected to rank that high up on the all time list.
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You say only Kobe fans think Kobe is the best. So forget about my opinion, what about the opinion of Michael Jordan? Jordan was the last great player in the game before Kobe, so he should be the one to pass the torch. And he clearly said this year, that Kobe is better than Lebron, and that because of his style of play he will continue to have more durability than Lebron.
Chamillitary Click:
^but how much stock do you honestly put in his opinion?
let's say he said the opposite, you wouldn't say "well, MJ DID say LeBron is better, so he must be right".
Jordan's opinion is the same as anyone elses.
LeBron finished the year averaging 30, 7 & 7; shooting a little better than 50% from the field; just animalistic numbers.
people are so quick to jump to Kobe because of the rings when he needed so much help to get them.
but once you say, "who is the better player?" can you even talk about rings? right away, you're turning it into an individual conversation.
"which player is better?", it's not which team is better, because TEAMS win rings, not single players; so how do you even count rings like that?
i'll say that to say this, Karl Malone is one million times the player Robert Horry is; but you guys don't jump so quick to say, "but Robert's got more rings!"; it's just Karl is the better player.
LeBron is the better player, Kobe's just been more successful thanks to the most dominating big man in history & a cast of All-Stars in 2009 & 10.
.:DaYg0sTyLz:.:
--- Quote from: Infinite... Be and It Is on May 04, 2010, 06:39:39 PM ---
--- Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on May 04, 2010, 01:50:02 PM ---
Lebron is known as a guy who makes those around him better...more so then Kobe. Again, other then by Kobe fans. Kobe fans tend to think that everyone who recognizes LeBron being better then Kobe....are LeBron fans. When in reality...you have Kobe fans who typically are Laker fans as well, who think Kobe is better. Then you have a majority of any other fans....regardless of their favorite team, who think LeBron is better. Which opinion is more biased...u tell me. Is Kobe a great player. Of course. Will he be a HOF'er? Of course. But there is a reason the expectations for LeBron are so much higher then what the expectations were for Kobe, at this stage of his career. Kobe is at the point of trying to break into that top 10 players all time. LeBron is expected to be competing for greatest player of all time. Who knows if he will ever reach that level. Thats a bit far off still. But Kobe was never expected to rank that high up on the all time list.
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You say only Kobe fans think Kobe is the best. So forget about my opinion, what about the opinion of Michael Jordan? Jordan was the last great player in the game before Kobe, so he should be the one to pass the torch. And he clearly said this year, that Kobe is better than Lebron, and that because of his style of play he will continue to have more durability than Lebron.
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Jordan was the last great player?? Are u kidding me? Jordan was great, the greatest. Once Jordan retired, you have a big group of great players who will all be HOF'ers. Kobe is simply one in that group. You have Shaq, Duncan, Kobe, Lebron, etc.
Let me ask you this, take your own personal bias out of it. Shaq and Duncan right now are typically ranked in the top 10 on most experts "10 best all time players lists". Kobe is not, or right on the edge. Jordan is one opinion. Kobe patterned his game after...who? Do you think Jordan is gonna say a big man is the best player in the league? Hell no. Have you noticed the way the media always manages to exclude bigmen from the "Best Player in the League" talks? Its solely reserved for perimeter players. It has been that way since Jordan. Basically, its reserved for players who create a lot of highlights...and bigmen dont. Good marketing huh? Even when Shaq was in his prime, they didnt like to call him the best player in the league...so they called him the "Most Dominant". Duncan has 3 finals MVPs, and 2 league MVPs, theyve never liked to call him the best PLAYER. Only the "best bigman". So its all bullshit...
As for Jordan again. Take this into account as well. People like NIK have argued for years that MJ has this overwhelming ego (worse then Kobe's they say LOL). Well, do u think the man with the giant ego is gonna say Lebron is the best right now, when a lot of experts think Lebron could eventually surpass Jordan? Or do u think he (and his so called giant ego) will say Kobe is the greatest, knowing that most experts think he wont surpass Jordan?
Chamillitary Click:
^that was a sick post lol.
Sccit:
--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click on May 04, 2010, 06:51:37 PM ---^but how much stock do you honestly put in his opinion?
let's say he said the opposite, you wouldn't say "well, MJ DID say LeBron is better, so he must be right".
Jordan's opinion is the same as anyone elses.
LeBron finished the year averaging 30, 7 & 7; shooting a little better than 50% from the field; just animalistic numbers.
people are so quick to jump to Kobe because of the rings when he needed so much help to get them.
but once you say, "who is the better player?" can you even talk about rings? right away, you're turning it into an individual conversation.
"which player is better?", it's not which team is better, because TEAMS win rings, not single players; so how do you even count rings like that?
i'll say that to say this, Karl Malone is one million times the player Robert Horry is; but you guys don't jump so quick to say, "but Robert's got more rings!"; it's just Karl is the better player.
LeBron is the better player, Kobe's just been more successful thanks to the most dominating big man in history & a cast of All-Stars in 2009 & 10.
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First of all, a teams personality takes on the team leaders personality, so if your team leader is a winner and has killer instinct, so should the team. The reason you seem to think the Laker supporting cast is so amazing, when in reality the Laker supporting cast is actually nothing special compared to most supporting casts in the history of nba championship teams, is because Kobe makes them look better. He helped make an aging Fisher look like a legit starting point guard, he helped make a shallow bench look deep, he helped take Gasol's status from star big to one of the best bigs in the world, his presence on the court draws so much attention that players like Bynum and Odom consistently put up all-star worthy numbers without making any all-star teams...Kobe is the only star back-court player on his team, while LeBron is playing alongside a star guard, a star power forward, a future hall-of-fame center, and a bench so deep that it could beat out some starting fives in this league...So don't say "Kobe did it with so much help", when in reality, LeBron has just as much help, if not more and can't get it done (in a weaker conference, nonetheless).
Second of all, comparing Karl Malone to Robert Horry is stupid, because Horry won rings as a role player, not a star player. For example, a lot of people say Duncan is better than Malone and use the fact that Duncan was a winner and Malone wasn't as a main argument. ...That's would be a good argument, because they're both star players who led their team. but comparing role players to premier players is just really not going to win you any arguments.
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