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Shallow:
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--- Quote from: JohnnyL on May 08, 2010, 07:33:43 AM ---
--- Quote from: The Watcher on May 08, 2010, 06:44:33 AM ---i liked it too, probably more than the first. scarlett can get it any time
samuel l jackon's nick fury is based on the ultimate version of nick fury in the comics, which looks EXACTLY like him funnily enough
really looking forward to the rest of the movies leading up to the avengers, that movie should really be awesome
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Yeah. I think I read somewhere that when they were designing "Ultimate Nick Fury," they based the design off of Samuel Jackson. Which if true, I guess makes Samuel Jackson perfect casting. I can understand some people not liking it though as it differs from standard Marvel continuity. I always liked "Ulitmate Universe Nick Fury" though, so it's fine with me.
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Noone could have played Nick Fury better than SLJ. He's perfect for the role. Just like The Kingpin was better with a black man than with a white man.
As far as the movie is concerned... I loved it! It had a lot of action. Pretty much everyone surrounding Tony Stark was in the movie... I liked it! And the ending was exciting! :)
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I don't know enough about Nick Fury to tell what he's really like, and I haven't really seen Jackson play him other than a few ending scenes that don't show anything. I don't like most Marvel films.
But what makes Kingpin better as black? Is Duncan a better Kingpin than any other big name white actors? Maybe, but I don't think he was anything special as Kingpin. Then again, nothing was anything special in the Daredevil film.
I wouldn't mind seeing Captain America as black though, played by Michael Jai White.
JohnnyL:
--- Quote from: Shallow on May 13, 2010, 07:28:11 PM ---
--- Quote from: The Bigg M-A-U on May 09, 2010, 03:19:05 AM ---
--- Quote from: JohnnyL on May 08, 2010, 07:33:43 AM ---
--- Quote from: The Watcher on May 08, 2010, 06:44:33 AM ---i liked it too, probably more than the first. scarlett can get it any time
samuel l jackon's nick fury is based on the ultimate version of nick fury in the comics, which looks EXACTLY like him funnily enough
really looking forward to the rest of the movies leading up to the avengers, that movie should really be awesome
--- End quote ---
Yeah. I think I read somewhere that when they were designing "Ultimate Nick Fury," they based the design off of Samuel Jackson. Which if true, I guess makes Samuel Jackson perfect casting. I can understand some people not liking it though as it differs from standard Marvel continuity. I always liked "Ulitmate Universe Nick Fury" though, so it's fine with me.
--- End quote ---
Noone could have played Nick Fury better than SLJ. He's perfect for the role. Just like The Kingpin was better with a black man than with a white man.
As far as the movie is concerned... I loved it! It had a lot of action. Pretty much everyone surrounding Tony Stark was in the movie... I liked it! And the ending was exciting! :)
--- End quote ---
I don't know enough about Nick Fury to tell what he's really like, and I haven't really seen Jackson play him other than a few ending scenes that don't show anything. I don't like most Marvel films.
But what makes Kingpin better as black? Is Duncan a better Kingpin than any other big name white actors? Maybe, but I don't think he was anything special as Kingpin. Then again, nothing was anything special in the Daredevil film.
I wouldn't mind seeing Captain America as black though, played by Michael Jai White.
--- End quote ---
Yeah. Even though this version of Nick Fury was created by the comic book writers with Samuel Jackson in mind, I think how well Jackson actually does with the character is mostly yet to be seen. I didn't mind his performance as Nick Fury in the Iron Man movies, but he hasn't had that much screen time thus far, either. I think he'll probably do fine, but on the other hand I never had much invested in the Nick Fury character (either version, really) to begin with.
As far as Kingpin, I thought Michael Clark Duncun was actually a decent choice. I don't like it when a character's ethnicity is changed in these movies, if it serves no purpose because usually when they do that they don't focus on making the character good and instead focus only on trying to pander to a certain group. But in the case of Michael Clark Duncun, I didn't mind it because he had about the perfect build for Kingpin. In the comics Kingpin is described as having a look that could initially be mistaken as being fat but is actually muscle. Not saying they couldn't have found a white guy who fit that description, but I can't really think of a "known" white actor who looks like that. Duncun not only fit the build but also had name-recognition (especially at the time). Ultimately, it didn't save the movie from mediocrity, but I don't think Duncun was really the problem. I'm sure Daredevil will be another one that Marvel Studios will reboot in a few years.
Shallow:
--- Quote from: JohnnyL on May 13, 2010, 08:37:14 PM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on May 13, 2010, 07:28:11 PM ---
--- Quote from: The Bigg M-A-U on May 09, 2010, 03:19:05 AM ---
--- Quote from: JohnnyL on May 08, 2010, 07:33:43 AM ---
--- Quote from: The Watcher on May 08, 2010, 06:44:33 AM ---i liked it too, probably more than the first. scarlett can get it any time
samuel l jackon's nick fury is based on the ultimate version of nick fury in the comics, which looks EXACTLY like him funnily enough
really looking forward to the rest of the movies leading up to the avengers, that movie should really be awesome
--- End quote ---
Yeah. I think I read somewhere that when they were designing "Ultimate Nick Fury," they based the design off of Samuel Jackson. Which if true, I guess makes Samuel Jackson perfect casting. I can understand some people not liking it though as it differs from standard Marvel continuity. I always liked "Ulitmate Universe Nick Fury" though, so it's fine with me.
--- End quote ---
Noone could have played Nick Fury better than SLJ. He's perfect for the role. Just like The Kingpin was better with a black man than with a white man.
As far as the movie is concerned... I loved it! It had a lot of action. Pretty much everyone surrounding Tony Stark was in the movie... I liked it! And the ending was exciting! :)
--- End quote ---
I don't know enough about Nick Fury to tell what he's really like, and I haven't really seen Jackson play him other than a few ending scenes that don't show anything. I don't like most Marvel films.
But what makes Kingpin better as black? Is Duncan a better Kingpin than any other big name white actors? Maybe, but I don't think he was anything special as Kingpin. Then again, nothing was anything special in the Daredevil film.
I wouldn't mind seeing Captain America as black though, played by Michael Jai White.
--- End quote ---
Yeah. Even though this version of Nick Fury was created by the comic book writers with Samuel Jackson in mind, I think how well Jackson actually does with the character is mostly yet to be seen. I didn't mind his performance as Nick Fury in the Iron Man movies, but he hasn't had that much screen time thus far, either. I think he'll probably do fine, but on the other hand I never had much invested in the Nick Fury character (either version, really) to begin with.
As far as Kingpin, I thought Michael Clark Duncun was actually a decent choice. I don't like it when a character's ethnicity is changed in these movies, if it serves no purpose because usually when they do that they don't focus on making the character good and instead focus only on trying to pander to a certain group. But in the case of Michael Clark Duncun, I didn't mind it because he had about the perfect build for Kingpin. In the comics Kingpin is described as having a look that could initially be mistaken as being fat but is actually muscle. Not saying they couldn't have found a white guy who fit that description, but I can't really think of a "known" white actor who looks like that. Duncun not only fit the build but also had name-recognition (especially at the time). Ultimately, it didn't save the movie from mediocrity, but I don't think Duncun was really the problem. I'm sure Daredevil will be another one that Marvel Studios will reboot in a few years.
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Ok, as far as casting the Kingpin as a marketing tool Duncan was the best bet, but I never bought him in the role. For example, if Punisher Warzone finally decided upon to get a sequel and they wanted Kingpin I wouldn't go near Duncan. First because of the immediate connection with that Daredevil film and second because I'd rather a completely unknown guy who can look and act like Fisk get the part.
JohnnyL:
--- Quote from: Shallow on May 13, 2010, 08:48:38 PM ---
--- Quote from: JohnnyL on May 13, 2010, 08:37:14 PM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on May 13, 2010, 07:28:11 PM ---
--- Quote from: The Bigg M-A-U on May 09, 2010, 03:19:05 AM ---
--- Quote from: JohnnyL on May 08, 2010, 07:33:43 AM ---
--- Quote from: The Watcher on May 08, 2010, 06:44:33 AM ---i liked it too, probably more than the first. scarlett can get it any time
samuel l jackon's nick fury is based on the ultimate version of nick fury in the comics, which looks EXACTLY like him funnily enough
really looking forward to the rest of the movies leading up to the avengers, that movie should really be awesome
--- End quote ---
Yeah. I think I read somewhere that when they were designing "Ultimate Nick Fury," they based the design off of Samuel Jackson. Which if true, I guess makes Samuel Jackson perfect casting. I can understand some people not liking it though as it differs from standard Marvel continuity. I always liked "Ulitmate Universe Nick Fury" though, so it's fine with me.
--- End quote ---
Noone could have played Nick Fury better than SLJ. He's perfect for the role. Just like The Kingpin was better with a black man than with a white man.
As far as the movie is concerned... I loved it! It had a lot of action. Pretty much everyone surrounding Tony Stark was in the movie... I liked it! And the ending was exciting! :)
--- End quote ---
I don't know enough about Nick Fury to tell what he's really like, and I haven't really seen Jackson play him other than a few ending scenes that don't show anything. I don't like most Marvel films.
But what makes Kingpin better as black? Is Duncan a better Kingpin than any other big name white actors? Maybe, but I don't think he was anything special as Kingpin. Then again, nothing was anything special in the Daredevil film.
I wouldn't mind seeing Captain America as black though, played by Michael Jai White.
--- End quote ---
Yeah. Even though this version of Nick Fury was created by the comic book writers with Samuel Jackson in mind, I think how well Jackson actually does with the character is mostly yet to be seen. I didn't mind his performance as Nick Fury in the Iron Man movies, but he hasn't had that much screen time thus far, either. I think he'll probably do fine, but on the other hand I never had much invested in the Nick Fury character (either version, really) to begin with.
As far as Kingpin, I thought Michael Clark Duncun was actually a decent choice. I don't like it when a character's ethnicity is changed in these movies, if it serves no purpose because usually when they do that they don't focus on making the character good and instead focus only on trying to pander to a certain group. But in the case of Michael Clark Duncun, I didn't mind it because he had about the perfect build for Kingpin. In the comics Kingpin is described as having a look that could initially be mistaken as being fat but is actually muscle. Not saying they couldn't have found a white guy who fit that description, but I can't really think of a "known" white actor who looks like that. Duncun not only fit the build but also had name-recognition (especially at the time). Ultimately, it didn't save the movie from mediocrity, but I don't think Duncun was really the problem. I'm sure Daredevil will be another one that Marvel Studios will reboot in a few years.
--- End quote ---
Ok, as far as casting the Kingpin as a marketing tool Duncan was the best bet, but I never bought him in the role. For example, if Punisher Warzone finally decided upon to get a sequel and they wanted Kingpin I wouldn't go near Duncan. First because of the immediate connection with that Daredevil film and second because I'd rather a completely unknown guy who can look and act like Fisk get the part.
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My guess is, whenever they use the character next they won't go with Duncun again. If for no other reason than to distance themselves from that Daredevil movie. This is purely speculation on my part, but I would guess even if Kingpin shows up next in another Daredevil movie, they'll go for a more classic comic book look for him. Particularly if Marvel Studios is doing the movie.
doggfather:
I tought Fury's personality, not the looks likes...
In this moovie, he was a nice guy, on the comics He isn't...
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