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The Come Up Shuffle:
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--- Quote from: The Come Up Shuffle on May 28, 2010, 08:52:36 AM ---And if Baseball doesn't need a cap as much as it needs a salary floor and a crack down on these bonuses draft picks get. Something needs to be done about how international players are signed.
My question is, for those that cry about Baseball needing a cap what would you choose as a reasonable cap ?
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I would put the cap at around 115 million,thats more then enough for teams to work with,and make the floor 55 million.
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So how do you propose the 6 teams that are over 115 million be punished for it. And your salary basement only consist of 5 teams. One of which is the Marlins who despite there miniscule payroll have managed to be a competitive team the past 5 years. And one of the other teams is the Pirates who are hands down the worst ran organization in all of North American sports.
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They shouldnt be punished,it should be an enforced hard salary cap.Im not talking about the nbas lame excuse for a salary cap Im talking a hard cap like in the nhl were you are not allowed to be over the cap under any circumstance.
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So how do you propose they get there payroll down to 115 million? And my mistake it's only 4 teams under your 55 million threshold. That consist of only 4 teams. So thats 20 teams that fall between your proposed salary floor and cap. Thats pretty even to me. And if you get rid of the Yanks and Pirates throwing it a bit out of wack the differences in payroll are even less drastic then you previously thought.
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You cant look at the numbers now and say oh it only effects this many teams blah blah.All those players from the teams that are stacked would be disperesed between the other teams and make the league that much more comptetive.Instead of basically having half the league being comptetivie you would ahve the entire league be competitive.
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How isn't it competitive though. If people can look past the Yanks making the playoffs every year and the Pirates sucking every season it is pretty competitive. I understand where you're coming from because you're a Jays fan. I would probably feel the same as you if I were a Jays fan. But spending money doesn't guarantee success. Look at the Cubs and Mets. I think a lot of people crying for a cap do so mostly because of the Yanks. When you eliminate the Yanks 220 million pay roll the rest of Baseball is pretty even.
Jaydc:
Obviously spending money doesnt gaurantee anything,but it does make it more comptetitive.I put up those numbers that show over the past ten years a total of 16 teams of made a grand total of 6 playoff appearances.Thats 16 teams,half the league being made into basically feeder teams for the big market teams.And I wont like being a jays does play a bit into it,considering how many star pitchers and players have come through toronto only to leave because the blue jays cant afford to keep them.If their was a cap it would rewards teams with great farm systems more then being about who has the biggest wallet.Now obviously their is exception to the rule,but baseball is very much a mercenary sport for players,with players going to the highest bidder with zero loyalty to teams,its all about the highest dollar.Where as in sports like nfl and nhl with hard caps in place,loyalty is all over the place.Now in every sport theirs going to be people that only want to the biggest dollar,but its rampant in mlb.
The Come Up Shuffle:
--- Quote from: Jaydc didnt do it,that bitch is lying. on May 28, 2010, 05:19:47 PM ---Obviously spending money doesnt gaurantee anything,but it does make it more comptetitive.I put up those numbers that show over the past ten years a total of 16 teams of made a grand total of 6 playoff appearances.Thats 16 teams,half the league being made into basically feeder teams for the big market teams.And I wont like being a jays does play a bit into it,considering how many star pitchers and players have come through toronto only to leave because the blue jays cant afford to keep them.If their was a cap it would rewards teams with great farm systems more then being about who has the biggest wallet.Now obviously their is exception to the rule,but baseball is very much a mercenary sport for players,with players going to the highest bidder with zero loyalty to teams,its all about the highest dollar.Where as in sports like nfl and nhl with hard caps in place,loyalty is all over the place.Now in every sport theirs going to be people that only want to the biggest dollar,but its rampant in mlb.
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Unless I am misreading your comment about only 16 different teams making the playoffs over the past 10 year you're way off. Again I might be missing your point but according to my count 23 different teams have made the playoffs over the past 10 years. So that leaves 7 teams that haven't. And three of those teams are/were three of the worst ran organizations in all North American sports. Those three teams being the Pirates, Royals, and Nats. Thats who by the way before MLB took them over were always pumping out young talent and are now finally going in the right direction. But lets say you implement a cap, you know what will happen ? Big market teams will pump even more money into signing international free agents and the draft and people will complain about that. When it comes down to the draft these kids will let it be known they refuse to sign with smaller market teams because they know larger market teams can offer them signing bonuses that can dwarf that of a smaller market. And about loyalty in the NFL. What do you mean by loyalty ? The only reason you may see loyalty in the NFL is because nothing in the NFL is guaranteed. Even if you sign a guaranteed contract it still isn't guaranteed.
Jaydc:
You did in fact misread.Seven teams have missed the playoffs,four more teams have made one appearance and five teams have only made two.Thats 16 teams over ten years with a grand total of 6 appearances between them.Like I said,that half the league basically being feeder teams.
And what I mean by loyalty is,players are loyal to their teams they dont jump ship at the first chance they get offered a big contract at another team.
Javier:
Aren't playoff appearances a bit unfair to judge competition when only 8 teams make it in the entire league? Plus the fact that it's a division by division basis with uneven schedules. Right now NL West teams face pitchers up the ass more so than the NL Central and NL East. And anyway, in the NL West for example you would think the Dodgers would have it easy with their money when it comes to drafting young talent and signing international players (since we have Dodger camps around the world), but Giants have built great pitching and are now getting some good young position players coming up, SD Padres have been building their farm system since 2006 and now are up there, Rockies have been a force ever since humidor, and the Dbacks are a joke right now but they're the most recent World Series champs in the division and have usually been in contention for the division.
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