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NFL fans are always in denial...haha...when was he last time ya'll even saw a rugby or soccer match? joketo each their own, stick to boring over hyped nfl and we'll continue watching real sports. peace
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Quote from: IRAN iz Gangsta! on May 30, 2010, 03:59:56 PMNFL fans are always in denial...haha...when was he last time ya'll even saw a rugby or soccer match? joketo each their own, stick to boring over hyped nfl and we'll continue watching real sports. peaceSome of my first memories in life are watching Diego score goals against England in 86. I watch a lot of soccer and if it was only about the play on the field I'd agree that soccer>>football, but it's the week leading up to the NFL match that makes me say football>>soccer. There's just so much strategy involved. I spend so much time thinking about what plays should have been called, what game plan should have been put in place, what style of defense should have been used.There is strategy in soccer but it's not even close to the NFL. An NFL playbook is like a physics text book to the average person. American football is a science as much as it is an art. International football is way more art than science. That doesn't make it worse, that's just why I like NFL better.
Quote from: Shallow on May 30, 2010, 08:53:31 PMQuote from: IRAN iz Gangsta! on May 30, 2010, 03:59:56 PMNFL fans are always in denial...haha...when was he last time ya'll even saw a rugby or soccer match? joketo each their own, stick to boring over hyped nfl and we'll continue watching real sports. peaceSome of my first memories in life are watching Diego score goals against England in 86. I watch a lot of soccer and if it was only about the play on the field I'd agree that soccer>>football, but it's the week leading up to the NFL match that makes me say football>>soccer. There's just so much strategy involved. I spend so much time thinking about what plays should have been called, what game plan should have been put in place, what style of defense should have been used.There is strategy in soccer but it's not even close to the NFL. An NFL playbook is like a physics text book to the average person. American football is a science as much as it is an art. International football is way more art than science. That doesn't make it worse, that's just why I like NFL better.I don't know anything about the NFL, what makes it so much science? It's hard to fathom for me. Because I see the dumbest kind of plays in the NBA. Some coaches draw literally dumb plays and make dumb decisions in crucial situations, and also the players can be extremely stupid. Like literally stupid. So, no offense, it's just hard for me to imagine that in the NFL every player went to MIT studying rocket science?
Quote from: 7even on May 31, 2010, 07:07:49 AMQuote from: Shallow on May 30, 2010, 08:53:31 PMQuote from: IRAN iz Gangsta! on May 30, 2010, 03:59:56 PMNFL fans are always in denial...haha...when was he last time ya'll even saw a rugby or soccer match? joketo each their own, stick to boring over hyped nfl and we'll continue watching real sports. peaceSome of my first memories in life are watching Diego score goals against England in 86. I watch a lot of soccer and if it was only about the play on the field I'd agree that soccer>>football, but it's the week leading up to the NFL match that makes me say football>>soccer. There's just so much strategy involved. I spend so much time thinking about what plays should have been called, what game plan should have been put in place, what style of defense should have been used.There is strategy in soccer but it's not even close to the NFL. An NFL playbook is like a physics text book to the average person. American football is a science as much as it is an art. International football is way more art than science. That doesn't make it worse, that's just why I like NFL better.I don't know anything about the NFL, what makes it so much science? It's hard to fathom for me. Because I see the dumbest kind of plays in the NBA. Some coaches draw literally dumb plays and make dumb decisions in crucial situations, and also the players can be extremely stupid. Like literally stupid. So, no offense, it's just hard for me to imagine that in the NFL every player went to MIT studying rocket science?To even compare the plays in the NBA to the plays in the NFL is absurd. The NFL is about studying game film all week, developing a strategy before the game, then studying patterns and adjusting your strategy mid-game, just as much as a it is about getting open, throwing the pass properly, opening the holes for the runner, and avoiding blocks, or tackling.It very simply takes more brain power to be Peyton Manning than it does to be Christiano Ronaldo or Lionel Messi. No one said anything about MIT. I'll even dumb it down; the NFL is community college, but Fifa is grade-school recess; the faster and stronger and more naturally talented get to the top and the smarter don't matter.And the coaching is at another leve in the NFL. That's why they have so many coaches.Look at the 07 Patriots for example when they played the New York Giants in week 17. Steve Spagnuolo was the Giants defensive coordinator and all season long he was watching the Patriots and devising the a plan to shut down their offense. The Patriots were a behemoth that year running up and down the field breaking offensive records week after week. But Steve Spagnuolo and Tom Coughlin (the Giants head coach) felt that if they make it to the Superbowl they'll be facing the Patriots and if they show them the defense they've conjured up to beat them the Patriots will be ready for it come Super Bowl time. So they decided to come with another defense; less blitz packages, less up the middle pass rush, more soft coverage in the secondary. They played on the theory that if they keep the ball in front of them they can force the Pats to make mistakes, and the Pats won scoring almost 40 points against that defense.So when the Superbowl came the Pats felt they had taken the Giants best shot and can just take it again and win, but Spagnuolo took the cat out of the bag and instead of using a defense he made up in one day, he used the defense he'd been working on since week 2 and the Pats didn't know what hit them. They ended up scoring only 14 points, were rushed hit and sacked all game, and lost the championship and the perfect season. And if not for a mental decision 5 weeks prior by the Giants the Pats would have won the championship because they would have been prepared for the defense.No coach in soccer will ever say "hey Zidane, don't score today. We'll need that goal for the next game". But the Giants defenders were told not to blitz, not to cover tight, and to leave the pocket open, because they didn't want the Patriots to see anything they were going to see when it mattered.That's why Football is beautiful.
Quote from: Shallow on May 31, 2010, 08:39:44 AMQuote from: 7even on May 31, 2010, 07:07:49 AMQuote from: Shallow on May 30, 2010, 08:53:31 PMQuote from: IRAN iz Gangsta! on May 30, 2010, 03:59:56 PMNFL fans are always in denial...haha...when was he last time ya'll even saw a rugby or soccer match? joketo each their own, stick to boring over hyped nfl and we'll continue watching real sports. peaceSome of my first memories in life are watching Diego score goals against England in 86. I watch a lot of soccer and if it was only about the play on the field I'd agree that soccer>>football, but it's the week leading up to the NFL match that makes me say football>>soccer. There's just so much strategy involved. I spend so much time thinking about what plays should have been called, what game plan should have been put in place, what style of defense should have been used.There is strategy in soccer but it's not even close to the NFL. An NFL playbook is like a physics text book to the average person. American football is a science as much as it is an art. International football is way more art than science. That doesn't make it worse, that's just why I like NFL better.I don't know anything about the NFL, what makes it so much science? It's hard to fathom for me. Because I see the dumbest kind of plays in the NBA. Some coaches draw literally dumb plays and make dumb decisions in crucial situations, and also the players can be extremely stupid. Like literally stupid. So, no offense, it's just hard for me to imagine that in the NFL every player went to MIT studying rocket science?To even compare the plays in the NBA to the plays in the NFL is absurd. The NFL is about studying game film all week, developing a strategy before the game, then studying patterns and adjusting your strategy mid-game, just as much as a it is about getting open, throwing the pass properly, opening the holes for the runner, and avoiding blocks, or tackling.It very simply takes more brain power to be Peyton Manning than it does to be Christiano Ronaldo or Lionel Messi. No one said anything about MIT. I'll even dumb it down; the NFL is community college, but Fifa is grade-school recess; the faster and stronger and more naturally talented get to the top and the smarter don't matter.And the coaching is at another leve in the NFL. That's why they have so many coaches.Look at the 07 Patriots for example when they played the New York Giants in week 17. Steve Spagnuolo was the Giants defensive coordinator and all season long he was watching the Patriots and devising the a plan to shut down their offense. The Patriots were a behemoth that year running up and down the field breaking offensive records week after week. But Steve Spagnuolo and Tom Coughlin (the Giants head coach) felt that if they make it to the Superbowl they'll be facing the Patriots and if they show them the defense they've conjured up to beat them the Patriots will be ready for it come Super Bowl time. So they decided to come with another defense; less blitz packages, less up the middle pass rush, more soft coverage in the secondary. They played on the theory that if they keep the ball in front of them they can force the Pats to make mistakes, and the Pats won scoring almost 40 points against that defense.So when the Superbowl came the Pats felt they had taken the Giants best shot and can just take it again and win, but Spagnuolo took the cat out of the bag and instead of using a defense he made up in one day, he used the defense he'd been working on since week 2 and the Pats didn't know what hit them. They ended up scoring only 14 points, were rushed hit and sacked all game, and lost the championship and the perfect season. And if not for a mental decision 5 weeks prior by the Giants the Pats would have won the championship because they would have been prepared for the defense.No coach in soccer will ever say "hey Zidane, don't score today. We'll need that goal for the next game". But the Giants defenders were told not to blitz, not to cover tight, and to leave the pocket open, because they didn't want the Patriots to see anything they were going to see when it mattered.That's why Football is beautiful.And Shallow enters the debate...How about this man...we are on the same side for once. Lets not bring up JaMarcus in here....he will only provide ammo for the Soccer/ Rugby fans lol
Definitely NFL and College Football is by far the sport that requires the most "tactics" or strategy, but soccer is up there and easily has more tactics than plenty of other sports. Soccer has had a fairly recent revolution of difference using tactics these days then they did in the 80s and before. Obviously you don't tell a player to not score, but there are plenty of things that can be said before a game that will prepare you for a match tactically.
Quote from: Javier on May 31, 2010, 11:44:41 PMDefinitely NFL and College Football is by far the sport that requires the most "tactics" or strategy, but soccer is up there and easily has more tactics than plenty of other sports. Soccer has had a fairly recent revolution of difference using tactics these days then they did in the 80s and before. Obviously you don't tell a player to not score, but there are plenty of things that can be said before a game that will prepare you for a match tactically. I was dreaming about Robben secretly training an attack where he goes from the right side to towards the middle of the field, like always, then suddenly turns to the right again while losing his defenders for a split second, then shooting with his right foot for once in his life, scoring the 1:0 against Inter. That would have been epic.
And let me just say this; the best players for the job in the NFL will do a lot better in soccer against soccer players or in rugby against rugby players than the best soccer and rugby players combined will do against NFL players in Football.A soccer team of a bunch of NFL kickers vs FC Barcelona may be a 12-0 joke, but Peyton Manning will have 12 TDs in the first quarter against the Soccer/Rugby team in football. And in rugby a team of linebackers, Full backs, and running backs might cut it pretty close against rugby's best squad, if they don't outright win.