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.:DaYg0sTyLz:.:
--- Quote from: NIKCC on June 15, 2010, 12:07:11 AM ---
--- Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on June 10, 2010, 01:09:37 PM ---
--- Quote from: LooN3y on June 09, 2010, 11:28:26 AM ---
--- Quote from: Hans Moleman on June 08, 2010, 12:22:59 PM ---the only players who can compare to MJ in terms of career stats are Wilt and Lebron. and even Lebron is about 4 PPG away from Jordan in his prime (who was about a 32 PPG guy)
the only players who can compare in the terms of winning are Bill Russell and Robert Horry lol.
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lol at stats, what about in terms of skills, clutch, taking over games, being the finisher, and being the best.
its either going to be kobe or mj
none of those old school guys come close to kobe or MJ in terms of being the best player. but MJ didnt even play against a d-wade, lebron james, chris paul, the NBA has much more talent right now than they ever did.
lebron doesnt come close, this guys overrated i wouldnt be suprised if he joins the t-mac/grant hill club by the end of the career.
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I wouldnt use the level of competition as an argument FOR Kobe. It would actually hurt considering the league has turned SO much more into an offensive league geared towards allowing players to score at will or get to the line. Jordan was playing against bruising defenses where it was ok to simply knock people on their ass. Kobe would seriously curl up in a little ball and cry if he had to see Oakley, Mason or even Starks every year in the playoffs lol. Artest woudl be the soft player on those old Knicks teams.
The problem is, Kobe stans like to use stats to argue...but then when the stats go the other way they try to pretend as if stats dont matter.
You cant measure "skill" when you are talking about best EVER, because skill levels of players ALWAYS improves from generation to generation. If you took Wilt for example....Dwight Howard is more SKILLED then he ever was. And Dwight isnt that skilled by todays standards. But you would NEVER say that Howard is as great as Wilt. Different age of Basketball. You can only compare a players skill...for THEIR time. And Jordan was head and shoulders above the rest of the league. There were NEVER any questions as to whether he was the best basketball player in the world. Kobe is constantly in the midst of a debate as to whether he is the best player in the NBA right now. If you were watchin basketball during Jordans era, no one ever said that anyone else was the best. As a matter of face, Jordan was already considered the greatest all time before his career was over. Thats why Kobe can never be on his level.
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This is a lie, straight up...Jordan wasn't considered the best until he won a title, in the 90s.
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LOL At what point in Kobe's career was he ever considered the hands down greatest player in the game? LOL. He is ALWAYS part of a debate. My point is that Jordan wasnt part of a debate except for early in his career. And if you dont know that Jordan was considered the greatest of all time BEFORE he was done...then you simply dont know your basketball. Point blank, Kobe just can not compete with that. He is much closer to Magic than he is to Jordan in that Magic was typically part of a debate as well. You can hate it all you want, but Kobe will never been seen or respected on Jordans level. He could win the title this year...and the next 2 and would still not be considered as great as Jordan. MJs GOAT status was cemented 2/3's of the way through his career lol.
Here are just a few reasons Kobe wont catch him
Jordan- 6 Titles, 6 Finals MVP Awards, 5 NBA MVP Awards, 10 Scoring titles, 3 Steals titles, Rookie of the Year, NBA All Rookie First team, ESPN's Greatest Athlete of the 20th century
Bryant- 4 Titles*, 1 Finals MVP Award, 1 NBA MVP Award, 2 Scoring titles, NBA All Rookie Second team
I left out accolades where they are either equal (ie, NBA All Star MVP)...or where Kobe still has a shot at catching him (ie. All Star Appearances, or ALL NBA First team)
As for the accomplishments that Kobe could catch up to Jordan on...you also have to remember that Jordan played 15 seasons and took 2 breaks. Its safe to assume that in between the three peats...Jordan would have been an All NBA First team player, more than likely the scoring champ, definitely a starter in the All Star game...etc...etc. Kobe has played 14 seasons already, so when its all said and done he will have had more years in the league...with far less accomplishments. Definintely a no brainer here lol
sprite:
man it's the same shit around here on DubCC, people need to take like a 1-2 day layoff sometimes
all I see is like 5 people all about Lakers and 5 people who counter whatever they say because they can't stand 'em
on both sides you guys should be tired of arguing dumb points back and forth
it's like an addiction or something that you didn't shake when you were in elementary school
Laker fans and anti-Lakers on here are pathetic... trust me this is how it looks outside the bubble
.:DaYg0sTyLz:.:
--- Quote from: sprite on June 16, 2010, 12:27:30 PM ---man it's the same shit around here on DubCC, people need to take like a 1-2 day layoff sometimes
all I see is like 5 people all about Lakers and 5 people who counter whatever they say because they can't stand 'em
on both sides you guys should be tired of arguing dumb points back and forth
it's like an addiction or something that you didn't shake when you were in elementary school
Laker fans and anti-Lakers on here are pathetic... trust me this is how it looks outside the bubble
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Im not really anti Lakers. Its just some of the stupidity gets annoying. There are Laker fans on here who are fairly reasonable and able to distinguish themselves as fans...rather than cheerleaders. And with them, I can have objective conversations about the Lakers, or any other team.
Btw...Sprite fuckin sucks. :-X
Sccit:
--- Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on June 16, 2010, 11:02:01 AM ---
--- Quote from: NIKCC on June 15, 2010, 12:07:11 AM ---
--- Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on June 10, 2010, 01:09:37 PM ---
--- Quote from: LooN3y on June 09, 2010, 11:28:26 AM ---
--- Quote from: Hans Moleman on June 08, 2010, 12:22:59 PM ---the only players who can compare to MJ in terms of career stats are Wilt and Lebron. and even Lebron is about 4 PPG away from Jordan in his prime (who was about a 32 PPG guy)
the only players who can compare in the terms of winning are Bill Russell and Robert Horry lol.
--- End quote ---
lol at stats, what about in terms of skills, clutch, taking over games, being the finisher, and being the best.
its either going to be kobe or mj
none of those old school guys come close to kobe or MJ in terms of being the best player. but MJ didnt even play against a d-wade, lebron james, chris paul, the NBA has much more talent right now than they ever did.
lebron doesnt come close, this guys overrated i wouldnt be suprised if he joins the t-mac/grant hill club by the end of the career.
--- End quote ---
I wouldnt use the level of competition as an argument FOR Kobe. It would actually hurt considering the league has turned SO much more into an offensive league geared towards allowing players to score at will or get to the line. Jordan was playing against bruising defenses where it was ok to simply knock people on their ass. Kobe would seriously curl up in a little ball and cry if he had to see Oakley, Mason or even Starks every year in the playoffs lol. Artest woudl be the soft player on those old Knicks teams.
The problem is, Kobe stans like to use stats to argue...but then when the stats go the other way they try to pretend as if stats dont matter.
You cant measure "skill" when you are talking about best EVER, because skill levels of players ALWAYS improves from generation to generation. If you took Wilt for example....Dwight Howard is more SKILLED then he ever was. And Dwight isnt that skilled by todays standards. But you would NEVER say that Howard is as great as Wilt. Different age of Basketball. You can only compare a players skill...for THEIR time. And Jordan was head and shoulders above the rest of the league. There were NEVER any questions as to whether he was the best basketball player in the world. Kobe is constantly in the midst of a debate as to whether he is the best player in the NBA right now. If you were watchin basketball during Jordans era, no one ever said that anyone else was the best. As a matter of face, Jordan was already considered the greatest all time before his career was over. Thats why Kobe can never be on his level.
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This is a lie, straight up...Jordan wasn't considered the best until he won a title, in the 90s.
--- End quote ---
LOL At what point in Kobe's career was he ever considered the hands down greatest player in the game? LOL. He is ALWAYS part of a debate. My point is that Jordan wasnt part of a debate except for early in his career. And if you dont know that Jordan was considered the greatest of all time BEFORE he was done...then you simply dont know your basketball. Point blank, Kobe just can not compete with that. He is much closer to Magic than he is to Jordan in that Magic was typically part of a debate as well. You can hate it all you want, but Kobe will never been seen or respected on Jordans level. He could win the title this year...and the next 2 and would still not be considered as great as Jordan. MJs GOAT status was cemented 2/3's of the way through his career lol.
Here are just a few reasons Kobe wont catch him
Jordan- 6 Titles, 6 Finals MVP Awards, 5 NBA MVP Awards, 10 Scoring titles, 3 Steals titles, Rookie of the Year, NBA All Rookie First team, ESPN's Greatest Athlete of the 20th century
Bryant- 4 Titles*, 1 Finals MVP Award, 1 NBA MVP Award, 2 Scoring titles, NBA All Rookie Second team
I left out accolades where they are either equal (ie, NBA All Star MVP)...or where Kobe still has a shot at catching him (ie. All Star Appearances, or ALL NBA First team)
As for the accomplishments that Kobe could catch up to Jordan on...you also have to remember that Jordan played 15 seasons and took 2 breaks. Its safe to assume that in between the three peats...Jordan would have been an All NBA First team player, more than likely the scoring champ, definitely a starter in the All Star game...etc...etc. Kobe has played 14 seasons already, so when its all said and done he will have had more years in the league...with far less accomplishments. Definintely a no brainer here lol
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Whether Kobe's been considered hands down the best, or not, he's been just that, and it's evident to those who know that game...it's clear that there was no one of LeBron's marketing stature during Jordan's era...Jordan got ALL the attention, hype, and marketing ever since the day Magic stepped down. Jordan WAS the NBA. Nowadays, you have the D-Wades, the LeBron's, players who are getting just as much, if not, more attention and exposure than Kobe, while not really being on Kobe's level in terms of skills and accomplishments. The marketing aspect of it has really skewed peoples opinion. Kobe will never be the face of the NBA, the way that Jordan was. Doesn't mean he cannot surpass him in terms of skill and accomplishments...PeACe
teecee:
--- Quote from: NIKCC on June 16, 2010, 01:49:44 PM ---
--- Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on June 16, 2010, 11:02:01 AM ---
--- Quote from: NIKCC on June 15, 2010, 12:07:11 AM ---
--- Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on June 10, 2010, 01:09:37 PM ---
--- Quote from: LooN3y on June 09, 2010, 11:28:26 AM ---
--- Quote from: Hans Moleman on June 08, 2010, 12:22:59 PM ---the only players who can compare to MJ in terms of career stats are Wilt and Lebron. and even Lebron is about 4 PPG away from Jordan in his prime (who was about a 32 PPG guy)
the only players who can compare in the terms of winning are Bill Russell and Robert Horry lol.
--- End quote ---
lol at stats, what about in terms of skills, clutch, taking over games, being the finisher, and being the best.
its either going to be kobe or mj
none of those old school guys come close to kobe or MJ in terms of being the best player. but MJ didnt even play against a d-wade, lebron james, chris paul, the NBA has much more talent right now than they ever did.
lebron doesnt come close, this guys overrated i wouldnt be suprised if he joins the t-mac/grant hill club by the end of the career.
--- End quote ---
I wouldnt use the level of competition as an argument FOR Kobe. It would actually hurt considering the league has turned SO much more into an offensive league geared towards allowing players to score at will or get to the line. Jordan was playing against bruising defenses where it was ok to simply knock people on their ass. Kobe would seriously curl up in a little ball and cry if he had to see Oakley, Mason or even Starks every year in the playoffs lol. Artest woudl be the soft player on those old Knicks teams.
The problem is, Kobe stans like to use stats to argue...but then when the stats go the other way they try to pretend as if stats dont matter.
You cant measure "skill" when you are talking about best EVER, because skill levels of players ALWAYS improves from generation to generation. If you took Wilt for example....Dwight Howard is more SKILLED then he ever was. And Dwight isnt that skilled by todays standards. But you would NEVER say that Howard is as great as Wilt. Different age of Basketball. You can only compare a players skill...for THEIR time. And Jordan was head and shoulders above the rest of the league. There were NEVER any questions as to whether he was the best basketball player in the world. Kobe is constantly in the midst of a debate as to whether he is the best player in the NBA right now. If you were watchin basketball during Jordans era, no one ever said that anyone else was the best. As a matter of face, Jordan was already considered the greatest all time before his career was over. Thats why Kobe can never be on his level.
--- End quote ---
This is a lie, straight up...Jordan wasn't considered the best until he won a title, in the 90s.
--- End quote ---
LOL At what point in Kobe's career was he ever considered the hands down greatest player in the game? LOL. He is ALWAYS part of a debate. My point is that Jordan wasnt part of a debate except for early in his career. And if you dont know that Jordan was considered the greatest of all time BEFORE he was done...then you simply dont know your basketball. Point blank, Kobe just can not compete with that. He is much closer to Magic than he is to Jordan in that Magic was typically part of a debate as well. You can hate it all you want, but Kobe will never been seen or respected on Jordans level. He could win the title this year...and the next 2 and would still not be considered as great as Jordan. MJs GOAT status was cemented 2/3's of the way through his career lol.
Here are just a few reasons Kobe wont catch him
Jordan- 6 Titles, 6 Finals MVP Awards, 5 NBA MVP Awards, 10 Scoring titles, 3 Steals titles, Rookie of the Year, NBA All Rookie First team, ESPN's Greatest Athlete of the 20th century
Bryant- 4 Titles*, 1 Finals MVP Award, 1 NBA MVP Award, 2 Scoring titles, NBA All Rookie Second team
I left out accolades where they are either equal (ie, NBA All Star MVP)...or where Kobe still has a shot at catching him (ie. All Star Appearances, or ALL NBA First team)
As for the accomplishments that Kobe could catch up to Jordan on...you also have to remember that Jordan played 15 seasons and took 2 breaks. Its safe to assume that in between the three peats...Jordan would have been an All NBA First team player, more than likely the scoring champ, definitely a starter in the All Star game...etc...etc. Kobe has played 14 seasons already, so when its all said and done he will have had more years in the league...with far less accomplishments. Definintely a no brainer here lol
--- End quote ---
Whether Kobe's been considered hands down the best, or not, he's been just that, and it's evident to those who know that game...it's clear that there was no one of LeBron's marketing stature during Jordan's era...Jordan got ALL the attention, hype, and marketing ever since the day Magic stepped down. Jordan WAS the NBA. Nowadays, you have the D-Wades, the LeBron's, players who are getting just as much, if not, more attention and exposure than Kobe, while not really being on Kobe's level in terms of skills and accomplishments. The marketing aspect of it has really skewed peoples opinion. Kobe will never be the face of the NBA, the way that Jordan was. Doesn't mean he cannot surpass him in terms of skill and accomplishments...PeACe
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I agree with you on the marketing tip, BUT...how exactly, will Kobe PASS MJ in terms of accomplishments? Forget the marketing BS, and lets talk straight on the court. What exactly would it take?
I'd be the first to admit,, Kobe, when he is on, is a better scorer than Mj, but MJ was more consistent and effected the game in more ways (steals, blocks, scored MORE, more assistsm rebounds, better shooting percentage, etc).
So, what does Kobe have to do, in your eyes NIK, to pass MJ in terms of accomplishments? We both know Kobe will end up playing about 6 more seasons than Mj...so I guess Kobe will get the games played over him ;)
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