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Shallow:
--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click on June 21, 2010, 11:27:13 PM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on June 21, 2010, 09:25:21 PM ---Cham; Phil's importance comes from his ability to keep superstars from thinking they're bigger than the team. The NBA is filled with ego-driven head cases and Phil Jackson is one of the very few that can run his team like an NFL coach. He has authority. It's not the game plan. This isn't a Rex Ryan playbook of blitzes and disguised coverages. Basketball is much simpler than Football. A few plays here and there but in the end it's much more up to execution on the court. What Jackson has shown he can do better than any other coach is get NBA players to listen and follow orders. Doc Rivers on this year's Lakers would have lost control of the team and Boston probably would have won. We may have seen Gasol running around outside the 3 point line trying to be Reggie Miller like Rasheed Wallace was doing. That shit doesn't happen on a Phil Jackson team.
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Sheed had won in Detriot shooting the 3 ball; that's his game.
I'm not saying Phil is worthless, he's a great coach; one of the best ever, but I'm sure plenty of coaches in the league could be in the same exact seat Phil is in now, if they got Jordan, Pippen, Shaq, Kobe, Gasol.
Some great teams, even on paper, favorites from the start & I guess he "keeps it together", but it's not like it's something only Phil has lol.
I'm sure after winning with Jordan, Kobe & Shaq were almost star-stuck to be in his presence early in their LA careers.
But how much control did he really have this year? Kobe was basically physically falling apart & he was bitching Phil into giving him his 40+ minutes a night.
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And if Ben Wallace was underneath the boards while Rasheed was going outside that'd be one thing, but when you are up 13 points in the 3rd there is no need for anyone to be shooting 3s, much less you're 7 footer. The way Boston played with the lead was like an NFL team being up by 3 TDs late in the game and deciding to run a shot gun spread. So either Doc Rivers is just a complete fool who doesn't understand how to slow the game down and eat the clock, or he couldn't control his ego mega stars.
I can't tell you what plenty of other coaches would have done, but I know what I've seen in the Phil Jackson run teams and what I've seen in most of the test of the league. You say plenty of guys could have won with those players, I say plenty of teams could have won this year with Phil Jackson. And I'm not even a fan of the guy. I hated it when he broke the Auerbach record and I hated the Bulls in the 90s.
.:DaYg0sTyLz:.:
--- Quote from: NIKCC on June 22, 2010, 04:01:10 PM ---
--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click on June 21, 2010, 11:27:13 PM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on June 21, 2010, 09:25:21 PM ---Cham; Phil's importance comes from his ability to keep superstars from thinking they're bigger than the team. The NBA is filled with ego-driven head cases and Phil Jackson is one of the very few that can run his team like an NFL coach. He has authority. It's not the game plan. This isn't a Rex Ryan playbook of blitzes and disguised coverages. Basketball is much simpler than Football. A few plays here and there but in the end it's much more up to execution on the court. What Jackson has shown he can do better than any other coach is get NBA players to listen and follow orders. Doc Rivers on this year's Lakers would have lost control of the team and Boston probably would have won. We may have seen Gasol running around outside the 3 point line trying to be Reggie Miller like Rasheed Wallace was doing. That shit doesn't happen on a Phil Jackson team.
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Sheed had won in Detriot shooting the 3 ball; that's his game.
I'm not saying Phil is worthless, he's a great coach; one of the best ever, but I'm sure plenty of coaches in the league could be in the same exact seat Phil is in now, if they got Jordan, Pippen, Shaq, Kobe, Gasol.
Some great teams, even on paper, favorites from the start & I guess he "keeps it together", but it's not like it's something only Phil has lol.
I'm sure after winning with Jordan, Kobe & Shaq were almost star-stuck to be in his presence early in their LA careers.
But how much control did he really have this year? Kobe was basically physically falling apart & he was bitching Phil into giving him his 40+ minutes a night.
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phil has threepeated every time he's won...do you actually realize how hard that is to threepeat once, let alone three times? and these teams he took over had failed with the same cast, before he stepped in. Jordan failed with Doug Collins, Shaq and Kobe failed with Del Harris...It's not like he took over great teams that were already winning rings, so try n give credit where it's due, if you may.
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so in other words...Kobe needed Phil in order to win any titles. Man, without Phil....no titles for Jordan....Kobe....Shaq. Well....Shaq won one in Miami. So I guess Shaq would have 1....while Jordan and Kobe would have none. That would really shoot those two pretty far down on the greatest players of all times list. I mean...with no championships and all.
Sccit:
--- Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on June 23, 2010, 11:53:31 AM ---
--- Quote from: NIKCC on June 22, 2010, 04:01:10 PM ---
--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click on June 21, 2010, 11:27:13 PM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on June 21, 2010, 09:25:21 PM ---Cham; Phil's importance comes from his ability to keep superstars from thinking they're bigger than the team. The NBA is filled with ego-driven head cases and Phil Jackson is one of the very few that can run his team like an NFL coach. He has authority. It's not the game plan. This isn't a Rex Ryan playbook of blitzes and disguised coverages. Basketball is much simpler than Football. A few plays here and there but in the end it's much more up to execution on the court. What Jackson has shown he can do better than any other coach is get NBA players to listen and follow orders. Doc Rivers on this year's Lakers would have lost control of the team and Boston probably would have won. We may have seen Gasol running around outside the 3 point line trying to be Reggie Miller like Rasheed Wallace was doing. That shit doesn't happen on a Phil Jackson team.
--- End quote ---
Sheed had won in Detriot shooting the 3 ball; that's his game.
I'm not saying Phil is worthless, he's a great coach; one of the best ever, but I'm sure plenty of coaches in the league could be in the same exact seat Phil is in now, if they got Jordan, Pippen, Shaq, Kobe, Gasol.
Some great teams, even on paper, favorites from the start & I guess he "keeps it together", but it's not like it's something only Phil has lol.
I'm sure after winning with Jordan, Kobe & Shaq were almost star-stuck to be in his presence early in their LA careers.
But how much control did he really have this year? Kobe was basically physically falling apart & he was bitching Phil into giving him his 40+ minutes a night.
--- End quote ---
phil has threepeated every time he's won...do you actually realize how hard that is to threepeat once, let alone three times? and these teams he took over had failed with the same cast, before he stepped in. Jordan failed with Doug Collins, Shaq and Kobe failed with Del Harris...It's not like he took over great teams that were already winning rings, so try n give credit where it's due, if you may.
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so in other words...Kobe needed Phil in order to win any titles. Man, without Phil....no titles for Jordan....Kobe....Shaq. Well....Shaq won one in Miami. So I guess Shaq would have 1....while Jordan and Kobe would have none. That would really shoot those two pretty far down on the greatest players of all times list. I mean...with no championships and all.
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Nobody said they wouldn't have any titles, genius...but they wouldn't have as many. Learn to use your common sense instead of speakin out your ass all the time.
.:DaYg0sTyLz:.:
--- Quote from: NIKCC on June 23, 2010, 01:39:05 PM ---
--- Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on June 23, 2010, 11:53:31 AM ---
--- Quote from: NIKCC on June 22, 2010, 04:01:10 PM ---
--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click on June 21, 2010, 11:27:13 PM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on June 21, 2010, 09:25:21 PM ---Cham; Phil's importance comes from his ability to keep superstars from thinking they're bigger than the team. The NBA is filled with ego-driven head cases and Phil Jackson is one of the very few that can run his team like an NFL coach. He has authority. It's not the game plan. This isn't a Rex Ryan playbook of blitzes and disguised coverages. Basketball is much simpler than Football. A few plays here and there but in the end it's much more up to execution on the court. What Jackson has shown he can do better than any other coach is get NBA players to listen and follow orders. Doc Rivers on this year's Lakers would have lost control of the team and Boston probably would have won. We may have seen Gasol running around outside the 3 point line trying to be Reggie Miller like Rasheed Wallace was doing. That shit doesn't happen on a Phil Jackson team.
--- End quote ---
Sheed had won in Detriot shooting the 3 ball; that's his game.
I'm not saying Phil is worthless, he's a great coach; one of the best ever, but I'm sure plenty of coaches in the league could be in the same exact seat Phil is in now, if they got Jordan, Pippen, Shaq, Kobe, Gasol.
Some great teams, even on paper, favorites from the start & I guess he "keeps it together", but it's not like it's something only Phil has lol.
I'm sure after winning with Jordan, Kobe & Shaq were almost star-stuck to be in his presence early in their LA careers.
But how much control did he really have this year? Kobe was basically physically falling apart & he was bitching Phil into giving him his 40+ minutes a night.
--- End quote ---
phil has threepeated every time he's won...do you actually realize how hard that is to threepeat once, let alone three times? and these teams he took over had failed with the same cast, before he stepped in. Jordan failed with Doug Collins, Shaq and Kobe failed with Del Harris...It's not like he took over great teams that were already winning rings, so try n give credit where it's due, if you may.
--- End quote ---
so in other words...Kobe needed Phil in order to win any titles. Man, without Phil....no titles for Jordan....Kobe....Shaq. Well....Shaq won one in Miami. So I guess Shaq would have 1....while Jordan and Kobe would have none. That would really shoot those two pretty far down on the greatest players of all times list. I mean...with no championships and all.
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Nobody said they wouldn't have any titles, genius...but they wouldn't have as many. Learn to use your common sense instead of speakin out your ass all the time.
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lol Kobe is so great. He's the greatest. You should get an "I Heart Kobe" shirt.
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