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Kobe...
Sccit:
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--- Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on May 30, 2010, 12:21:25 PM ---a bit of a stretch there lol but ok...top 5 player ever....lol
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LMAO@top 5 being a stretch when he's competing for GOAT status.
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He is competing in YOUR mind lol. Most experts didnt have Kobe rated a top 10 all time player prior to this year. Him winning his second title as the leader of the team I dont think will bounce him all the way into the top 5 lol But then again...Im arguing with a guy who thinks Kobe is better than Jordan (no Farmar).
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Pretty much everyone already acknowledges that Kobe, at the top of his game, has surpassed or at the very least matched Jordan as far as skill goes. If he wins 6+ titles, it would be ridiculous to not include him in the GOAT discussion.
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LOL!!! Wow...
First off...Kobe having 6 titles isnt the same as Jordan having 6 titles. Even ESPN radio addressed it this morning. When talking about how fans are so caught up in the present. Originally the conversation was about Rondo and how when he has a big game in the playoffs people immediately start calling him the best point guard in the league. When really, there are about 3 or 4 that definitely better then him. Then it switched to Kobe and how Kobe fans say he is better than Jordan everytime he has a big 30+ point game in the playoffs when really he is still 30 playoff games behind Jordan, 2 titles behind him..AND (important), Jordan never had Shaq. No one looks at Kobe's first 3 titles as an AMAZING accomlpishment of an all time great, because he was the second best player on those teams. Jordan NEVER was the second best player lol. Kobe's first three titles are closer to Pippens titles....then Jordans. Kobe's title last year was a far bigger individual accomplishment then all three of the three-peat titles lol. So he has a LOT of catching up to do.
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Kobe did just as much as Shaq to help the Lakers earn those titles...Again, you can't discredit Kobe because he played with Shaq. Playing, as a leader, for those great Laker teams in the earlier part of his career is part of what helped Kobe gain that drive and mental toughness he developed when he took over. Jordan mighta been the main man on his team earlier in his career, but for a while, he was also the man who was getting knocked out by the Pistons. Even when Kobe was winning titles with Shaq, he was considered the best player in the world. You can say the Lakers wouldn't have won the titles without Shaq, but they wouldn't have won em without Kobe either. Fact of the matter is, Kobe is actually still in his prime, playing amazing ball and breaking records left and right, and to take him out of the GOAT discussion this early, when his career is not even near its end, is pretty stupid.
teecee:
--- Quote from: NIKCC on June 01, 2010, 01:21:20 PM ---
--- Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on May 31, 2010, 02:59:20 PM ---
--- Quote from: NIKCC on May 30, 2010, 03:46:54 PM ---
--- Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on May 30, 2010, 03:31:39 PM ---
--- Quote from: NIKCC on May 30, 2010, 01:20:18 PM ---
--- Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on May 30, 2010, 12:21:25 PM ---a bit of a stretch there lol but ok...top 5 player ever....lol
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LMAO@top 5 being a stretch when he's competing for GOAT status.
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He is competing in YOUR mind lol. Most experts didnt have Kobe rated a top 10 all time player prior to this year. Him winning his second title as the leader of the team I dont think will bounce him all the way into the top 5 lol But then again...Im arguing with a guy who thinks Kobe is better than Jordan (no Farmar).
--- End quote ---
Pretty much everyone already acknowledges that Kobe, at the top of his game, has surpassed or at the very least matched Jordan as far as skill goes. If he wins 6+ titles, it would be ridiculous to not include him in the GOAT discussion.
--- End quote ---
LOL!!! Wow...
First off...Kobe having 6 titles isnt the same as Jordan having 6 titles. Even ESPN radio addressed it this morning. When talking about how fans are so caught up in the present. Originally the conversation was about Rondo and how when he has a big game in the playoffs people immediately start calling him the best point guard in the league. When really, there are about 3 or 4 that definitely better then him. Then it switched to Kobe and how Kobe fans say he is better than Jordan everytime he has a big 30+ point game in the playoffs when really he is still 30 playoff games behind Jordan, 2 titles behind him..AND (important), Jordan never had Shaq. No one looks at Kobe's first 3 titles as an AMAZING accomlpishment of an all time great, because he was the second best player on those teams. Jordan NEVER was the second best player lol. Kobe's first three titles are closer to Pippens titles....then Jordans. Kobe's title last year was a far bigger individual accomplishment then all three of the three-peat titles lol. So he has a LOT of catching up to do.
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Kobe did just as much as Shaq to help the Lakers earn those titles...Again, you can't discredit Kobe because he played with Shaq. Playing, as a leader, for those great Laker teams in the earlier part of his career is part of what helped Kobe gain that drive and mental toughness he developed when he took over. Jordan mighta been the main man on his team earlier in his career, but for a while, he was also the man who was getting knocked out by the Pistons. Even when Kobe was winning titles with Shaq, he was considered the best player in the world. You can say the Lakers wouldn't have won the titles without Shaq, but they wouldn't have won em without Kobe either. Fact of the matter is, Kobe is actually still in his prime, playing amazing ball and breaking records left and right, and to take him out of the GOAT discussion this early, when his career is not even near its end, is pretty stupid.
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Or, possibly, to put him IN the GOAT discussion when his career isn't finished is stupid ;) He has had a GREAT career, but to be up there with Jordan and Magic he better win a few ore playoff MVPS...after all, isnt that all Kobe fans say matters now. NOt the stats, not the regular season, just the playoff MVP. If he gets two more, he will have as many chips as MJ, but still only half of the playoff MVP's.
You know, in a way Kobe DOES get penalized for playing with Shaq, BUT Kobe was NEVER in consideration for MVP in any of those finals, and the one they lost he was horrible in. Kobe was like Pippen to Shaq's Jordan. That is still awesome, but quit trying to rewrite this shit. And I don't recall Kobe being consdered the BEST player in the world any of the years they won the title? He was still inconsistent and selfish at times (notice how much better he is now that he has matured, even with the slightly diminshed ahtletic ability). Kobe is WAY better now than he was when the Lakers won those titles...what makes him so good now (especially in these playoffs) is he knows when to shoot and takeover, and when to defer to his teammates.
Teddy Roosevelt:
--- Quote from: teecee on June 01, 2010, 02:34:54 PM ---You know, in a way Kobe DOES get penalized for playing with Shaq, BUT Kobe was NEVER in consideration for MVP in any of those finals, and the one they lost he was horrible in.
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Not entirely true.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/nba/01playoffs/stories/2001-06-05-bryant-cover.htm
Sccit:
--- Quote from: teecee on June 01, 2010, 02:34:54 PM ---
--- Quote from: NIKCC on June 01, 2010, 01:21:20 PM ---
--- Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on May 31, 2010, 02:59:20 PM ---
--- Quote from: NIKCC on May 30, 2010, 03:46:54 PM ---
--- Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on May 30, 2010, 03:31:39 PM ---
--- Quote from: NIKCC on May 30, 2010, 01:20:18 PM ---
--- Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on May 30, 2010, 12:21:25 PM ---a bit of a stretch there lol but ok...top 5 player ever....lol
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LMAO@top 5 being a stretch when he's competing for GOAT status.
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He is competing in YOUR mind lol. Most experts didnt have Kobe rated a top 10 all time player prior to this year. Him winning his second title as the leader of the team I dont think will bounce him all the way into the top 5 lol But then again...Im arguing with a guy who thinks Kobe is better than Jordan (no Farmar).
--- End quote ---
Pretty much everyone already acknowledges that Kobe, at the top of his game, has surpassed or at the very least matched Jordan as far as skill goes. If he wins 6+ titles, it would be ridiculous to not include him in the GOAT discussion.
--- End quote ---
LOL!!! Wow...
First off...Kobe having 6 titles isnt the same as Jordan having 6 titles. Even ESPN radio addressed it this morning. When talking about how fans are so caught up in the present. Originally the conversation was about Rondo and how when he has a big game in the playoffs people immediately start calling him the best point guard in the league. When really, there are about 3 or 4 that definitely better then him. Then it switched to Kobe and how Kobe fans say he is better than Jordan everytime he has a big 30+ point game in the playoffs when really he is still 30 playoff games behind Jordan, 2 titles behind him..AND (important), Jordan never had Shaq. No one looks at Kobe's first 3 titles as an AMAZING accomlpishment of an all time great, because he was the second best player on those teams. Jordan NEVER was the second best player lol. Kobe's first three titles are closer to Pippens titles....then Jordans. Kobe's title last year was a far bigger individual accomplishment then all three of the three-peat titles lol. So he has a LOT of catching up to do.
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Kobe did just as much as Shaq to help the Lakers earn those titles...Again, you can't discredit Kobe because he played with Shaq. Playing, as a leader, for those great Laker teams in the earlier part of his career is part of what helped Kobe gain that drive and mental toughness he developed when he took over. Jordan mighta been the main man on his team earlier in his career, but for a while, he was also the man who was getting knocked out by the Pistons. Even when Kobe was winning titles with Shaq, he was considered the best player in the world. You can say the Lakers wouldn't have won the titles without Shaq, but they wouldn't have won em without Kobe either. Fact of the matter is, Kobe is actually still in his prime, playing amazing ball and breaking records left and right, and to take him out of the GOAT discussion this early, when his career is not even near its end, is pretty stupid.
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Or, possibly, to put him IN the GOAT discussion when his career isn't finished is stupid ;) He has had a GREAT career, but to be up there with Jordan and Magic he better win a few ore playoff MVPS...after all, isnt that all Kobe fans say matters now. NOt the stats, not the regular season, just the playoff MVP. If he gets two more, he will have as many chips as MJ, but still only half of the playoff MVP's.
You know, in a way Kobe DOES get penalized for playing with Shaq, BUT Kobe was NEVER in consideration for MVP in any of those finals, and the one they lost he was horrible in. Kobe was like Pippen to Shaq's Jordan. That is still awesome, but quit trying to rewrite this shit. And I don't recall Kobe being consdered the BEST player in the world any of the years they won the title? He was still inconsistent and selfish at times (notice how much better he is now that he has matured, even with the slightly diminshed ahtletic ability). Kobe is WAY better now than he was when the Lakers won those titles...what makes him so good now (especially in these playoffs) is he knows when to shoot and takeover, and when to defer to his teammates.
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AGAIN, Kobe was NOT a supporting player ala Pippen. He was a focal point on the Laker threepeat teams, even at the age of 21. Even in his early 20's, he was already up there as far as ability goes and his professionalism matched that.. and it showed when he sacrificed being a global icon and THE man on the team in order to win championships with Shaq...even Shaq was quoted as saying that Kobe was the greatest player in the world back during the Lakers' '01 playoff run, in which Kobe was the go-to-guy down the stretch who hit most of the big shots and made most of the big plays. I honestly don't even know if Jordan and Shaq woulda worked out as well as Kobe and Shaq, due to the fact that Kobe was able to defer to Shaq, even when he was an MVP caliber player who was already in GOAT discussions, while Jordan doesn't seem like the type who woulda been able to put his ego aside for such a demanding dominant presence like Shaq.
7even:
Shaq was an absurd freak of nature in his prime, I have never seen such a human being. It was like a grown man playing with some talented kids. He was so dominant, only fouls could stop him and sometimes not even that. It pissed me off so much. It was just not fair. All he had to do is get the ball in the paint and noone could do anything. I really hated that shit.
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