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7even:
Not to mention that Shaq was much better than Kobe in the '04 Finals

Shallow:

--- Quote from: wcsoldier on June 06, 2010, 12:28:54 PM ---I don't try to argue otherwise , Shaq was the focal point ... I'm just saying that Kobe was not your regular second option ... you won't find many 2nd options who averaged 27 , 5 and 5 on a championship team ...  so he deserved more credit for those titles than some of you give him ..

I don't think that we would have made it to the Finals these years and  if  you replace Kobe by let's say Ginobili in his prime .... do you think so ?

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Maybe not, but with Lebron in his prime and Shaq in his prime I'd guess about 4 straight titles.

teecee:
This revisionist bullshit, saying Kobe was the man on those Lakers teams, or that he was as great as soon as he entered the league, is no different than hiphop heads saying Reasonable Doubt had a huge impact on the game and was the best album to drop in the 90's.

Fact=  Jay Z was second or third to Biggie, Nas, and even a few others

Fact= Kobe was second to SHaq, and there were a few other players as good as Kobe in 2001 or 2002



We saw glimpses of what Kobe could become, we saw glimpses of what Jay could become...both were at the ceiling ability wise, but had yet to perfect the rest of their games.


NOW...Jay is being talked about as the best ever, and so is  Kobe.  But the ones who don't REVISE everything years later KNOW Jay wasn't seeing Nas or BIG, and Kobe sure wasn't seeing SHAQ on those teams.   He was important, a great player (if a bit immature and selfish), and definitely instrumental in the victories.  But he was NOT fucking with Shaq

OG Hack Wilson:
jay-z was never NEAR, i repeat NEVER near Big L or Big Pun status  (or Biggie or Nas or GZA)

teecee:
"I think he's a better and a more well-rounded total basketball player," Lakers general manager Mitch Kupchak said at a charity event in which a community center blocks from the arena was dedicated by NBA Cares. "And that includes leadership, teammate skills, things you get better at as you mature. Five, six years ago, he was off the charts athletically. Today he's still incredibly athletic but not as athletic as 26. When you look at the total package, yes, he's better now."


Everyone but NIK can see that Kobe wasn't always as good as he is now

And Hans, I've never been a Jay fan like that so I feel you...he just happens to be the guy that everyone is saying is the GOAT now

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