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EMINEM - RECOVERY (Official Discussion)
Episcop Cruel Cvrle:
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--- Quote from: Conan on June 08, 2010, 10:18:47 AM ---Bumped it a lot today and in the midst of writing my DUBCNN review. What I will say in here is that I feel that, beneath the "I'm back, it's the old me" veneer, Recovery is a really inappropriate title. From a personal standpoint, Em sounds like he's in one of the worst spots of his life. I guess that helps me to understand why "Not Afraid" sounded so forced and oddly insincere, despite its strong(ish) lyrics.
To take a line straight from the draft of my review, it worries me how Eminem's career trajectory so closely mirrors Elvis'. What was once a running joke now looks increasingly like a grave concern.
I love what I've heard and Em is as vivid and involving as ever, but when he's this troubled that's almost to a detriment. You're really left hoping that he can pull himself together and find solace. I realize that to a lot of people who found Relapse underwhelming, Recovery could be taken as a reference to his MC skills. But, again, emotionally Em seems far from recuperated.
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Some things u say are solid . Other then that I think LSD is no stranger to you...
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Ha! Nah, not at all, man. Just a big-time Em supporter - apologies if I'm being too analytical. To try and explain my points:
The Elvis comparison has obviously been around forever. I just find that now it's taken a negative connotation, considering that Elvis also shared a dependancy to prescription medicine. He also reached a point near the end of his career (and life) where he felt like he still had something to prove. Seems like Em is veering close to that point in his career also.
As for his emotional state, I could point to about half the album in support of what I was saying. "Talkin' To Myself" and "Going Through Changes" seem like good enough starting points though. His talent is still incredible, but Em nonetheless comes across as totally depressed.
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Both Elvis (then) and Em (now) had to sth to offer at that point of their career if you are looking it from that perspective.( Elvis just died too soon because he didnt want to get embarrassed that fans would know what kind of bowel problems he had,that was the real cause for his death,.)
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Absolutely. I still think Em has something to offer and I think that lyrically he is sometimes as sharp as ever on here. It's just a shame that it comes at the expense of such a messed-up background. As clever as a lot of the "joke" punchlines are, a lot of them just seem laboured and halfhearted. I don't feel like he's really into them, but then maybe that's just me.
Of course, Em's never exactly been a "happy go lucky" guy!
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Conan The Reviewer after few Recovery spins, ready to put his thoughts on paper....+1. Ive mistaken you for some dude that wants to sound too philosophical on some Jung-Freud type of shit but I was wrong.
DTG Entertainment:
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--- Quote from: Shallow on June 07, 2010, 11:22:48 PM ---I love how guys are hating on this album but then praising a 12 year old soundtrack song from a Will Smith movie where the end of the song is Em and Dre trading verses about how to defeat Kevin Kline's character from the film.
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Actually, they were dissing Suge Knight in that song.
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So Suge Knight ain't got no legs, they cut 'em off at the stomach. He's got mechanical legs, he spins webs?
I did make a mistake though; it was not Kevin Kline's character. It was Kenneth Branagh's.
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Did you not notice the Chronic 2 references that Dr. Dre made? Suge tried releasing Chronic 2000 with unreleased Dr. Dre songs on them, but Dre managed to get the album blocked.
BlueSwan:
After Relapse I made a list of things Eminem should do to make "Relapse 2" even better (I really like Relapse). Let's see how he fared:
1. Drop the accents
Reason: We all hate them. Eminem is seemingly the only one not realising how much they suck.
Result: Yes, indeed. Eminem came to his senses - they're gone.
2. Make shorter songs
Reason: Eminem albums tend to tiring because the songs are too goddamn long. You should leave the listener wanting more, not feeling fed up. Just like that Game 400 bars jam, that noone listened to in full. Some songs are long for a good reason (like "Stan"), but the vast majority of Eminem songs would be better in shorter form. Part of the charm of "Insane" on Relapse is that it is short. Had that gone on for another 2 minutes everyone would have hated it.
Result: Nope. Songs are still way too long. A full five tracks are 5 minutes or more, which is ridiculously long for a hip-hop track unless you have a ton of features, which Eminem doesn't.
3. Get outside production
Reason: We all love Dre's production. Less so with Eminems own production. But everybody needs to grow and challenge themselves. Let's hear Eminem flow on a Just Blaze beat, an Alchemist beat, a Havoc beat, a Khalil beat, a J.R.Rotem beat, a Kanye beat, etc.
Result: Yes, indeed, he followed suit. But you would think that he would have hotter beats given that I'm sure every hip-hop producer in the fuckin' world would kill to get on an Eminem album. Production is surprisingly average on Recovery.
4. Don't sing, ever! Get proper singers to do the singing.
Reason: Eminem is arguably the worst singer in the entire world. Yet he somehow thinks that he can sing. Let me put it this way: if I had to pick between the accent and the singing I would....kill myself.
Result: Eermmm....what the hell is he thinking? Instead of cutting down on singing, there's singing fuckin' EVERYWHERE on Recovery. This is gonna be the "accent issue" with this album. You have to wonder where Eminem's sense of reality is. First the accents, now the singing. Why is Dr.Dre - the most notorious perfectionist in the game - not telling Eminem that the accents suck and that singing is bad?
5. Keep varying the flow
Reason: One of the impressive things about Relapse is the variety of flows. Had he dropped the accents it would have been near perfect.
Result: Unfortunately Eminem has decided to rap almost exclusively in his "angry" voice. This gets very tiring on a whole album. He needs to switch it up.
BiggBoogaBiff:
enuff already lol
all y'all are doing is gonna go in circles about the album in hopes of getting to/working to a compromise. it's not that serious, u either fuck with it or u don't, simple as that. u don't have 2 write a 10 page essay on ur do's and don't about Eminem and Relapse and Recovery. we get it already.
we can all agree that BlueSwan summed up everything about Eminem and EVERYTHING said on this board about Relapse and Recovery and Eminem for that matter.
1 - y'all r making the album OLD NEWS before it even comes out
2 - it's clear that some of y'all clearly lack self-esteem issues. u don't have to argue and debate this much, it's pure emo-ism. fall back from here for a couple weeks, you'll get it lol.
Shallow:
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--- Quote from: Shallow on June 07, 2010, 11:22:48 PM ---I love how guys are hating on this album but then praising a 12 year old soundtrack song from a Will Smith movie where the end of the song is Em and Dre trading verses about how to defeat Kevin Kline's character from the film.
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Actually, they were dissing Suge Knight in that song.
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So Suge Knight ain't got no legs, they cut 'em off at the stomach. He's got mechanical legs, he spins webs?
I did make a mistake though; it was not Kevin Kline's character. It was Kenneth Branagh's.
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Did you not notice the Chronic 2 references that Dr. Dre made? Suge tried releasing Chronic 2000 with unreleased Dr. Dre songs on them, but Dre managed to get the album blocked.
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I understand the jabs at Suge. But for the most part this song is made for a bad Will Smith movie.
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