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EMINEM - RECOVERY (Official Discussion)
Episcop Cruel Cvrle:
--- Quote from: rickard on June 08, 2010, 12:49:06 PM ---Sample on "Going Through Changes" is the from allmighty Black Sabbath´s "Changes", from the album "Vol. 4" (1972).
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Sure is. u cant go wrong with Ozzie on the hook.
rick1:
Some of you (remember, it´s not hip hop...) should check out Black Sabbath´s earlier albums, with Ozzy on vocals:
Black Sabbath (1969)
Paranoid (1970)
Master Of Reality (1971)
Volume 4 (1972)
Sabbath Bloody Sabbath (1973)
Sabotage (1975)
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... Ice-T also sampled the title track from Sabbath´s self-titled first album for the song "Midnight", on his "Original Gangster" LP (1991). Heard a few more songs that use Black Sabbath samples, but these escape my memory right now...
dubsmith_nz:
^^^ Word Ozzie sounds dope on that hook!
Listening to this album last night Albums sounded a lot doper 2nd time around, a lot more introspective than I intially thought.
I couldn't help but think how huge this album is gonna be, so many cross over singles on there. If dre wanted/needed promo for Detox he shoulda jumped on that joint with Rihanna, that songs gonna be huge.
That "Almost Famous" gives me a Havoc vibe, anyone know who produced it?
Triple OG Rapsodie:
--- Quote from: Shallow on June 08, 2010, 11:30:58 AM ---
--- Quote from: rapsodie sees the bitch in you on June 08, 2010, 10:00:06 AM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on June 08, 2010, 09:43:46 AM ---
--- Quote from: rapsodie sees the bitch in you on June 08, 2010, 08:44:27 AM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on June 07, 2010, 11:22:48 PM ---You guys really need to go download Bob Dylan's first 5 albums. What's the point of debating music if all you like is the novelty of it. "It's got a good beat I can bump to it". If music doesn't speak to me I don't want to hear it. That being said, nothing on Recovery "speaks" to me. And I don't mean some pseudo serious diatribe about changing the world. Just give me something real, and I'm sorry but Wild Wild West ain't it. If it's not coming from the heart then what is the point. And I don't just mean lyrics.
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Kill You isn't from the heart and doesn't speak to anyone. As a matter of fact most of Eminem's music isn't intended to be taken seriously. I don't see how you can feel that way and still be a fan of Eminem considering a lot of his music is made for its shock value.
Music is music because of the way it sounds. Lyrics that "speak to you" won't make a song a good piece of music. You also need it to sound good. While I agree that the best songs can do both, production is always more important when it comes to music. Real lyrics over shitty production doesn't make better music than "fake" lyrics over great production. After all, if it were just about the lyrics we might as well all go and listen to spoken word artists and forget this hip hop nonsense.
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You clearly did not understand my point at all. Re-read my post and then play the link I added and then get back to me.
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Didn't see your link cause I have flash blocker on. Now that I have, it makes even less sense. You go from talking about Dre and Em rapping about a movie to the theme song from Pulp Fiction?? Where you are going with this?
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Where I'm going is that for a song to speak to me or come from the heart it doesn't have to come right out and say a whole lot or in Dick Dale's case say anything at all. It's something real that you feel and just put out. Not something you have to think about first then create based on the pre-conceived idea. That song from Wild West is a shitty attempt at cowboy rap.
Now I'm a big outlaw country, alt country, and old country fan so when I hear that music that Dre and Em rap over it's sounds so cheesy. About as cheesy to me as Cowboy Troy would sound to rap fans. If I want to hear a country song about a bad ass I'll listen to Charlie Daniels. Here's a great Jimmy Dean cover.
http://www.youtube.com/v/YZ0ItH32O7Y
Bad guys Always Die or Showdown or whatever is novelty. There's no emotion in the music or the rapping, and there isn't supposed to be. Kill You was not one of the tracks I mentioned as a solid stand out, but Kill You is a lot deeper than it lets on. There's a lot of frustration and anger than goes with all the jokes. Both in the rapping and the music. Way better Eminem on the mic and way better Dre behind the boards.
by the way
this is Cowboy Troy if you didn't catch the reference
http://www.youtube.com/v/5xto4PzDHLQ
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So basically you prefer whatever song you "feel" the most. That's true for anyone though. Problem is that everyone has a different interpretation of what they feel. I could hear a song first time and love it. You could hear it on first listen and think its shit. Also there's some songs that I don't feel the first time but then I listen to later and get really into. Like songs with more subtle production where you don't catch everything the first time. I won't lie, first time I heard GZA's Liquid Swords I didn't get it. I thought the production was rather bland. But I came back to it later and liked it a lot more. Today its one of favorite records. That's not based on a preconceived idea, that's me gaining a better understanding of the music.
Kill You actually was one of the songs that you pointed out (unless there's a song called "Hill you" I don't know about). But I don't see how its any better than the rest of that album. It's Em talking about killing bitches over a poppish beat. I liked it a lot when I was younger because it was hardcore and had a nice beat. Not that I hate it now, but I recognize it for what it is. Go check out the MMLP thread. Those songs that you dislike like Amityville and Remember Me were among people's favorite tracks. Not that I think "Bad Guys Always Die" is better than those songs. I actually think its just an average song. I would probably like it more if the production were different. But saying you "feel" one song more than another isn't very good of an explanation as to why one is better than another. I could say one has better production, or on one he flows better or the rhymes are better or the content is better. That's at least way more arguable than saying one "speaks to me more".
Episcop Cruel Cvrle:
--- Quote from: dubsmith_nz on June 08, 2010, 02:19:17 PM ---^^^ Word Ozzie sounds dope on that hook!
Listening to this album last night Albums sounded a lot doper 2nd time around, a lot more introspective than I intially thought.
I couldn't help but think how huge this album is gonna be, so many cross over singles on there. If dre wanted/needed promo for Detox he shoulda jumped on that joint with Rihanna, that songs gonna be huge.
That "Almost Famous" gives me a Havoc vibe, anyone know who produced it?
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Very good beat, sounds like Dj Khalil and New Royales to me.
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