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EMINEM - RECOVERY (Official Discussion)
Triple OG Rapsodie:
--- Quote from: The-Leak (aka) kingwell (bka) JULES on June 09, 2010, 03:12:11 PM ---
--- Quote from: LaMilton Taeshawn on June 09, 2010, 03:03:11 PM ---
--- Quote from: The-Leak (aka) kingwell (bka) JULES on June 09, 2010, 02:47:35 PM ---
--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click on June 09, 2010, 08:10:30 AM ---
--- Quote from: Episcop Cruel Cvrle on June 09, 2010, 02:07:21 AM ---Some of you dudes are just trippin, this is not the best album in the world for sure. But its a good one, just bump it and relax.
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that's what i'm saying; but it just goes to show you how high people's expectations of Eminem are.
clearly so high that a CD that they would of called "solid" at least for anybody else, is "absolute garbage" for Eminem.
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Eminem SHOULD have high expectations, The music he makes that I like from him is very hard to make, and can be hit or miss.. And I don't see why this album is solid. Because of the big budget names and features? To me that doesn't give you a pass for a solid album. Even on the grandest stage, you have to earn your praise. The beats on here are good enough to work with. It's Eminem I am rating here: the songs lack focus.
The same problem with Encore and Relapse. There was nothing you could take away from alot of the songs. Eminem is good because he is good at writing about his life in a way that you can relate to it. He doesn't do this too often on Recovery, it's a 1-sided affair for alot of the songs..
Let's use Cinderella Man as an example. "Music is my time machine" that's relatable, I'm feeling it.. Than "Cinderella Man, Cinderella Man", that automatically brings the POV right to Eminem. It's a song about himself, not about music. Very isolating to listen to, as a listener.
There is a fine line in this phrase: "Music is about your life, not you." Eminem didn't meet that, and even with the tools he has, falls into an average rapper on this CD.
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Westcoast Hip Hop stays fallin in this pitfall faithfully
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That is a very good point. I believe it is starting to change now, with the West Coast rappers becoming more conscience, that's a good look. But yes, that is why I don't listen to that genre as much as I used to (I like to think I grew up alot.) That is one of the reasons I always argue East Coast/Midwest are better lyricists than any other region..
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I think the problem is the fans (aka the people on this forum). There are quite a lot of underground west coast rappers putting out meaningful music, but you notice that Death Row and the new west is all this forum talks about. The west gets pidgeon-holed to the point where anyone not spitting that gangsta shit is overlooked. And even if they aren't overlooked, they aren't considered west coast because some people have it in their head that the west coast sounds a certain way. Hell look at the Black Eyed Peas. They are the most successful group from the west right now but no one acknowledges they are west coast.
you gon always be my latin queen bitch:
rapsodie...what has bep made that was dope for the streets to like?
come on g...they make radio muzik
The-Leak (aka) kingwell (bka) JULES:
--- Quote from: LaMilton Taeshawn on June 09, 2010, 03:25:09 PM ---
--- Quote from: The-Leak (aka) kingwell (bka) JULES on June 09, 2010, 03:12:11 PM ---
--- Quote from: LaMilton Taeshawn on June 09, 2010, 03:03:11 PM ---
--- Quote from: The-Leak (aka) kingwell (bka) JULES on June 09, 2010, 02:47:35 PM ---
--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click on June 09, 2010, 08:10:30 AM ---
--- Quote from: Episcop Cruel Cvrle on June 09, 2010, 02:07:21 AM ---Some of you dudes are just trippin, this is not the best album in the world for sure. But its a good one, just bump it and relax.
--- End quote ---
that's what i'm saying; but it just goes to show you how high people's expectations of Eminem are.
clearly so high that a CD that they would of called "solid" at least for anybody else, is "absolute garbage" for Eminem.
--- End quote ---
Eminem SHOULD have high expectations, The music he makes that I like from him is very hard to make, and can be hit or miss.. And I don't see why this album is solid. Because of the big budget names and features? To me that doesn't give you a pass for a solid album. Even on the grandest stage, you have to earn your praise. The beats on here are good enough to work with. It's Eminem I am rating here: the songs lack focus.
The same problem with Encore and Relapse. There was nothing you could take away from alot of the songs. Eminem is good because he is good at writing about his life in a way that you can relate to it. He doesn't do this too often on Recovery, it's a 1-sided affair for alot of the songs..
Let's use Cinderella Man as an example. "Music is my time machine" that's relatable, I'm feeling it.. Than "Cinderella Man, Cinderella Man", that automatically brings the POV right to Eminem. It's a song about himself, not about music. Very isolating to listen to, as a listener.
There is a fine line in this phrase: "Music is about your life, not you." Eminem didn't meet that, and even with the tools he has, falls into an average rapper on this CD.
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Westcoast Hip Hop stays fallin in this pitfall faithfully
--- End quote ---
That is a very good point. I believe it is starting to change now, with the West Coast rappers becoming more conscience, that's a good look. But yes, that is why I don't listen to that genre as much as I used to (I like to think I grew up alot.) That is one of the reasons I always argue East Coast/Midwest are better lyricists than any other region..
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i don't wanna generalize bcuz that would be wrong but the East and MidWest are bcuz that's their style. WestCoast stay failing at that, they only have a handful of rappers who actually try 2 integrate the MC part of rapping with their style like Crooked I or Bishop Lamont. When Ice Cube said "this ain't Virginia this the Westcoast" or some shit like that i was like "ok son, i feel u, but u know ur dead wrong 4 actin' like all that shit don't matter when it comes to WestCoast rap". When MOST of the producted on the westcoast sounded like Dr. Dre wannabes with the boom-bap and the same ass piano melody and chord i was lookin' like how tha fuck can y'all rank on the south when ALL of y'all shit sound the same, and the shit was boring as hell. i loved "that's on the set" by Glasses Malone but the only thing that fucked it up was it was on that CripSet shit, yeah it's a track full of Crips but if they made that shit more universal then that shit woulda been Certified IME.
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Yeah, I Feel you. I have no problem with the production sound from the West, I just wish more emphasis would be put on lyrics and content subject. And as you said, a few of the New West artists have figured out how to do that, while still keep their Western heritage intact.
The-Leak (aka) kingwell (bka) JULES:
--- Quote from: rapsodie sees the bitch in you on June 09, 2010, 04:36:00 PM ---The west gets pidgeon-holed to the point where anyone not spitting that gangsta shit is overlooked.
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That's not true, whenever I hear a new artist I don't care where he's from, if he's spitting nice I'll fuck with him.
I am not overlooking the fact that alot of good artists have emerged from the West in the past couple of years. While it is surprising, it still pales in comparison to the number of artists of this caliber that are coming out of the Eastern area.. Just the way it is..
For the longest time I Thought Alchemist was from the East... Just by listening to his style of production.
TraceOneInfinite:
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