EMINEM - RECOVERY (Official Discussion)

[Lucifuge]

spell it wrong

[Detox Iz Not Active]

EM is the Britney spears of hip hop

[TraceOneInfinite]

Bumpin (for research purposes)

[TraceOneInfinite]

this album is hella dope!

Sccit, you said hip-hop heads didn't like Recovery.  Here's one.

i'm about half way though & this is real strong so far.

the singing isn't terrible, he can pull it off & if the second half is equally as strong, this could be his best album since The Eminem Show.

like Shallow said, i haven't heard a song yet that is a "sure-fire classic" or something that he'll be remembered for, but overall the CD has been real good so far.

Our old friend Cham says its a strong album.  He's not a hip-hop head?

Str8 bangin album im surprised it was so good without Dre producin most of it.
track 2 was sickest

More heads that like the album.

Overall, I guess it's up there with The Eminem Show, but that albums good tracks SMASH this albums best tracks.

woah, this cat even puts is up there with the Eminem Show  . I'll leave the full review:

As most of you, i was pretty surprised about a quarter through. It sounded like it was gonnaa be some ill shit, but i don't know, after listening to the whole thing, it seems like most of the songs were sounding the same (and not in a "concept" type way). It was only one listen though, and nothing was bad. Still, on the other hand, nothing was real good. At least when Relapse came out, the beats were fuckin nuts. Recovery has to have the worst beats yet for an Eminem album by far, but I don't think a lot of the critics really care about production, which is fuckin sad. Here's what I recall, much should change after some more listens:

-The one with kobe was easily the best, and that's one of the few I can see still liking 10 years from now. As you guys were saying, nothing on here is comparable to those classic Em tracks, but then again, nothing on Relapse was either.

-Going Thru Changes was cool, Almost Famous was cool, the bonus track was cool, On Fire was cool.

-The Just Bllaze tracks were nice, but in terms of the production, nothing special from him.

-I didn't mind the Wayne track...but like anyone with a brain, I couldn't help but wonder why the fuck LIL WAYNE was the only rapper featured on the allbum?! For godsakes, your fucking EMINEM! You can have anyone in the fuckin world on a track with you, and LIL WAYNE? At least get someone from Aftermath or Shady, damn.

-W.T.P. had to have been easily the worst track on the album, I mean, this just sucked bigtime. Beat/lyrics/everything.

-Space Bound was cool, I wasn't feeling Cindarella Man much. Don't see why some of you are in love with these two, but not some of the others.

-The Khalil beats were decent for his standards. But like Just Blaze, a little upsetting.

-I agree with the singing part. It's like Eminem is trying to fit in with the Drakes & Waynes of the industry at the moment, but I don't think he realizes that he IS the biggest figure at the moment. But his singing isn't that bad though, so I don't mind it much.

Overall, I guess it's up there with The Eminem Show, but that albums good tracks SMASH this albums best tracks. On the other hand, that album had some real shitty tracks, while I didn't think anything was real bad on this besides W.T.P., which still wasn't THAT bad.

Oh, and it's pretty obvious the Dre track is So Bad. Which is actually in the top 3 for me on this one (most likely due to the production). But still...only one fuckin Dre beat on an Aftermath album!?!?...and an Eminemm album!?!?...I wonder how much Dre really had to do with this album, just like BISD, and just like the supposed RED Album. What the fuck is going on at Aftermath? Nobody making songs together anymore, Dre not fucking with his own guys no more, shits not looking good...but then again, Dre could easily be letting these guys take care of themselves under his label. Or maybe he had more the do than I think, but I doubt it. Still...it's just not what it used to be where Dre would take control of the album (exec.) and just completely turn the thing into a masterpiece (most of the time).

Enough with this Dre production crap. Dre's production on the great Em albums was never all that great. Em's best album was MMLP, but take The Way I Am and Stan (two songs NOT produced by Dre) off that album and it's worse than Recovery.



Tell me honestly that the tracklisting above makes for that much better an album than the new one.

Damn, Shallow has it up there with MMLP 

"The last two albums don't count, Encore I was on drugs Relapse I was flushing em out"

So now he's dismissing both his last albums? lol. Two tracks in so far, impressed, a lot of singing but it aint that bad. Lyrically he's on point, but I can see that same delivery getting tired, see how the rest of the album goes. The first beat was dope in my opinion, 2nd is definitely a different look for Em, Kobe's hook is cool, shit's dope for real. This third beat sounding sick, got those live sounding Dre drums, the fuck is that hook though "I just spit a bullshit hook in between two long ass verses if you mistook this for a song look"

Btw, On "Cinderella Man" I forgot Eminem raps, "fucc the last album (Relapse) the shits in my trash...(I'll be damned if I let a rapper outdo me again)

[Duck Duck Doggy]

Anybody who compares Recovery to The Eminem Show needs their heads checked. It’s like albums from 2 completely different artists.

[Sccit]

infinite is being super disingenuous, as usual

he nitpicks the positive reviews on recovery and nitpicks the negative reviews on relapse to try to paint it as recovery being better received

he thinks the viewers of the threads are retarded and can't just go back and read ALL the comments, which shows relapse getting about 70% positive feedback while recovery has about 70% negative feedback

fake shit

i don't get down wit that

[HighEyeCue]

I have to revisit this one

only songs I remember are the singles which I didn't like and "Cold Wind Blows" and "Ridaz" which I did

[Sccit]

I have to revisit this one

only songs I remember are the singles which I didn't like and "Cold Wind Blows" and "Ridaz" which I did

spare yourself

[HighEyeCue]

spare yourself

 

[TraceOneInfinite]

infinite is being super disingenuous, as usual

he nitpicks the positive reviews on recovery and nitpicks the negative reviews on relapse to try to paint it as recovery being better received

he thinks the viewers of the threads are retarded and can't just go back and read ALL the comments, which shows relapse getting about 70% positive feedback while recovery has about 70% negative feedback

fake shit

i don't get down wit that

It's no secret.  That's exactly what I was searching for.  If someone wants to do their own search, then be my guest.  I didn't claim my theory was correct, I am doing my own research.  If you don't like my research then you take 4 hours out of your day and do your own research.  But you can't do that because you actually have family and a social life.

It's pretty simple what I'm doing and I make no bones about it.  I'm doing real Scientific Research (not fake spinning ball globe or Coward-19 Research) but real Scientific Method.  Following the 5 Steps you learned in your 6th Grade Science Class:

RELAPSE ALBUM

1.  QUESTION/IDEA:  Sccit posed the idea that HEADZ liked/loved Relapse when it dropped. 
2.  MY HYPOTHESIS:  My hypothesis is that many HEADZ at the forum hated Relapse when it dropped and dissed it on here.
3.  PERFORM THE EXPERIMENT:  Bump the old thread and search for posts of HEADZ dissing the fucc out of Relapse.
4.  DATA:  I found many posts of HEADZ dissing the fucc out of Relapse.
5.  CONCLUSION:  Many HEADZ at the forum did not like Relapse and dissed the fucc out of it when it was released.

^^That's my mutherfuccin research that I did, if you don't like my research or think you would like to perform a different search then be my fuccin guest.  But good luck finding 4 hours of your day to burn through providing quality research to the members of the forum as I have done.  You guys should be thanking me. 

RECOVERY ALBUM

1.  QUESTION/IDEA:  Sccit posed the idea on here that pop fans liked Recovery but not the HEADZ at the forum.
2.  HYPOTHESIS:  My hypothesis is that I can find many headz at the forum that liked Recovery when it dropped.
3.  EXPERIMENT:  I bumped the o.g thread and performed a search to find HEADZ who liked the Recovery album.
4.  DATA:  I found many HEADZ here who liked the Recovery album when it dropped.
5.  CONCLUSION:  There were actually many HEADZ here at the forum who liked the Recovery album when it dropped, so it wasn't just the pop fans pushing the narrative.

^^If you don't like the reasearch I've done and think it was inconclusive then you can do your own fuccin research.  I provided the fuccin evidence for anybody to view and draw their own fuccin conclusion if they don't like mine.  Perform your own research, be my guest.  But really, you all should be thanking me.

relapse was received wayyyyy better by fans


it's not even close

You sure about that?  Let's do the research, we have the two threads bumped.  The Relapse thread and the Recovery thread.  Let's check and see if it is true that Relapse was received WAAAAAAAAAAAAY better by fans...

[TraceOneInfinite]

let it be known its a pretty average album maybe a bit better than relapse. relapse with the cleaner sounding production. sounds pretty forced most of the time, those bonus tracks from relapse (my darling, be careful what you wish for and deja vu too) are prolly his best new material.

^^^ better than Relapse

J.E., I got ya' on the review 

1. Cold Wind Blows - 3.75/5 The beat is pretty good. I don't find his singing on here annoying. Pretty good opener.
2. Talkin' to Myself - 4.5/5 - This shit is fire. Khalil killed the beat and Kobe drops a classic hook. Love the honest Em on the first talkin' about almost dissin' Wayne & Kanye.

3. On Fire - 3.5/5 This beat is pretty banging. Em's flow is tight here too. Not much yelling on here. This is a pretty solid album joint.

4. Won't Back Down - 3.5/5 This beat keeps growing on me. It's so banging. I don't think the Pink feature is that random; she has that bad ass attitude that fits the song and its concept. It's a grower, not amazing, but not bad either.

5. W.T.P. - 3/5 Beat isn't bad. Hook is alright. It would get some plays in the club and on radio. Maybe a future single?
6. Going though Changes - 4.5/5 The sample is really tight. Eminem is spitting really nice on here too, really nice. Beat is tight too.

7. Not Afraid - 3/5 This is just boring to me. The beat, hook, verses, etc. - It's uplifting music but its boring.
8. Seduction - 2.5/5 Beat is ok. This stinks. It's getting old too.

9. No Love - 3.25/5 Interesting beat/sample. Beat picks up during the verses. Wayne's verse is decent. Em's hook is eyy. Em comes tight with the verses though. I don't know about this. It's kind of weird.

10. Space Bound - 4/5 Beat is good. Em is really spitting on here. Who is doing this hook? I can see some people finding it annoying but I think its pretty tight.

11. Cinderella Man - 4/5 Energetic beat. I don't like that repeating "cinderella man" though. The beat is pretty tight though and Em is spitting. Whoever is singing on here has a tight voice though.

12. 25 to Life - 4.5/5 The girl singing on here has a really tight voice. The beat fits everything on here perfectly. Really like this.
13. So Bad - 2.75/5 Beat is tight, sounds like it could be Dre? Eminem doesn't sound good on this at all though. His voice/yelling is annoying on it. Yep, Em says its Dre here.

14. Almost Famous - 3.25/5 Girl on hook has an interesting voice. She's not that good though. Beat is pretty bangin. Khalil did his mothafuckin' thing on this LP.
15. I Love the Way you Lie - 4/5 Always liked Rihanna. Beat is pretty hot. Fuck it, I like this shit.

16. You're Never Over - 2.75/5 Em's singing is TERRIBLE. For a Proof dedication, this is disappointing. Oh man he really can't sing and that's really evident on here.
17. Bonus - 2.5/5 Beat is ok. Em's raps are stupid on here though.

Best tracks:
Going Through Changes
Talking to Myself
25 to Life
Cinderella Man
Space Bound
I Love the Way you Lie

Decent:
Cold Wind Blows
On Fire
Won't Back Down

Average/Bad:
WTP (avg)
Not Afraid (bad)
Seduction (bad)
No Love (avg)
So Bad (bad)
Almost Famous (avg)
You're Never Over (bad)
Bonus (bad)

Overall: 7/10

Overall, I think this is a better effort than both Relapse & Encore, which is a very good thing. The best songs on here may not all be on par with the best songs on Relapse such as Stay Wide Awake, Deja Vu, Beautiful and Underground. But the consistency is the key here. There is not a single song on this album as bad as crap like My Mom, Insane, Bagpipes from Baghdad, Same Song & Dance, We Made You or Must be the Ganja. All of those Relapse songs I just mentioned sucked at best. If lucky, 2.5/5 songs.

This is an improvement IMO.

Another thorough review, says it's better than Relapse

Damn Action I agree with your perspective of this album but awfully hard to give you credit when you say you praised relapse until eminem himself said it sucks so now you think its a failure too. You changing your opinion on a album just cause another man says its not good?

Lol.. one cat said Recovery is better after he realized even Eminem himself said it sucks

1. Cold Wind Blows - 4/5 'Somethings just dont change' Like the way it starts and the beats real solid. This blaze? Khalil? Eminems first verse is actually pretty shitty. And the hook would be STRAIGHT FIRE if he got a nigga to do it and if he not want a brother on the hook, there even a few white cats with soul out there who could have done that hook for him. i actually think nate dogg would have been perfect for that hook. Oh-ah ah oh - No na na no- Dude sounds like a bitch doing that when that same idea could have been perfect had he got a cat like nate to do it. I know of nates problems but still...lol Nice start to the album still.

2. Talkin' to Myself - 3.75/4 Most overrated joint and hook ever. Joints nice and the beats solid and eminem comes okay. But really...i was expecting some next level shit from kobe when i was hearing y'all speaking of this. Eminem could have done this hook himself and it would have made no difference at all. Aint nothing about it at all. And im sure ive heard this hook before.

3. On Fire - 3/5 Kinda generic beat, sounds like the played out gunit sound. keys go well to it though and eminem not really saying shit but he aint bad at all either. The hook is terrible though.

4. Won't Back Down - 3.5/5 - Eminem kinda pulls off the rock vibe well. Aint my type of joint but dude sounds aggressive on this but i can give him a pass on this because the whole vibe of the joint is aggressive. Dude actually blends in just fine. Only complain i have is of the purpose of pink? She aint doing nothing on the hook. Nothing good, nothing bad. If he got pink on his joint, why not let her spit on the beat and wild out too?

5. W.T.P. - 4/5 Dude got a fire beat on this...Who did this? The drum pattern is straight and its got a nice club vibe to it. Eminem cant really spit to joints like this though. He aint never had rhythm BUT he almost pulls it off on this. Im glad he actually said its a white trash party cuz ima be real. Aint no nigga bumpin this in a club/party but with the hook which eminem pulls off, i guess i can see some white cats wildin out to this. Not bad at all for what it is. Just an eminem track where he tryna have fun. And he pulls it off better than he has in a long ass tme. I kinda think the hook is aite...this strictly remains only on dubcc though lol

6. Going though Changes - 3.5/5 - Might sound harsh because this sounds like some older eminem shit. He sounds focused, its honest and its all solid. BUT theres only so much moaning i can take from a dude. If you depressed, thats fucked up and shit but how many times u gon tell me homeboy? I can only take so much moaning lol and as solid as this joint is and it could easily be an eminem show joint, i just can't take 4-5 mins of eminem moaning about how 'difficult' his life is sometimes. This be one of them moments. Its a solid joint though. I guess its better than raping animals. If your a big eminem fan, i can see y'all liking this.

7. Not Afraid - 3.5/5. Atmospheric background to the beat but the snare really is overboard. Thought it was hella solid at first and it grew got played out quick as fuck. Nice to see eminem try something like this though going the inspirational route rather than the comical one for a change for a first single. Its about tryna be a man too. So not a bad track still.

8. Seduction - 3./5 I like the beat. Its got a nice vibe to it. Kinda chilled and this gone sound shady but a cat like drake could have made a hook for a joint like this memorable possibly. Eminem did it okay though but its not something which i would wanna check again.

9. No Love -  4.5/5 First real stand out joint. Production is daring with the sample but its creative and put together brillaintly with lil wayne and eminem and how it amps up as it gets further in. Dude should release this, its fire. Don't nobody hate on wayne on this by the way, he sounds perfect funnily even on the adilibs. Should make a vid to this! Eminem fully wilds out this too...dude really got his flow on this. Banging!

10. Space Bound - 4./5  This aint a bad at all actually and im not into these sorta joints from eminem with this sound but it goes really well. The drum pattern is nice and it kinda mixes well with the rock vibe. Hook is nice too. Eminems fan i can imagine loving this.

11. Cinderella Man - 3.75/5 - I like the beat and eminem spits nice even if he is kinda screaming over this and its kinda different and again its a nice experiment...Atleast whoever did this is being creative and tryna create good music. Not just a beat.

12. 25 to Life -3.75/5 Gotta strong guitar influence to this and it kinda sounds like something off lil waynes recent rock attempt. Its not bad at all. The beats kinda got some funky shit going on in it and the hook is kinda calm...it kinda goes well on this album...gives you a second to relax lol...

13. So Bad - 2.5  dre still using them horns? For fuckkk sake dre, step the fuck up! The beats nice dont get me wrong, but this shit is the kinda shit dre was making when truth hurts album dropped! Go check the first beat off truthfully speaking! Really dre...I hope you just passing shit like this on cuz you getting some futuristic westcoastt funk saved for detox lol by the way eminem sounds like shit on this...hook is such garbage ..eminem cant pull off a hook like that

14. Almost Famous - 5/5 Best beat on the album. Hooks fire, don't know whos spitting it but the woman pulls it off and its almost kinda funk in a weird poppy sorta way. I aint joking, this shit is HEAT! I was convinced dre did this but i think someone said khalil did this earlier. Hugely impressed, i knew dude was good almost all the time and sometimes really good/great but this is just great music. I love eminems flow on this too.

15. I Love the Way you Lie 3/5 - Rihianna feature but again i don't get it. Is this what he wanted her for? How about letting her be her on a joint if u going to get her instead of for a hook you could have got anyone for kinda like the pink feature. Let her spit if you gon get her! This some generic ass hook he could have got anyone for. Not saying its a bad hook because she sound good but a superstar feature which adds nothing, makes no sense to me on an eminem album.

16. You're Never Over -  2.5/5 i couldnt get to the end because of the hook. lol He could have got carlton off will smith to drop a better hook.

17. Bonus - 3.5/5 - Havoc joint, its got a nice hook, reminds me of something off kill bill lol ;-) and the beats got some crazy shit going on it and eminems spitting nice but its not something im really listening and its not good enough musically as a song to get a pass fully like that either.

Overall!!

I think this is easily eminems best effort in a long long time. Dude actually impressed me on this. He aint the same cat who spit on mmlp and sslp because he was hungry, young and fresh and new back then and everything coming out then was stronger and he was tearing it up back then. And then he dropped albums like encore which sounded so washed up and he sounded completely a new dude on the mic, like fully lost. And then relapse which sound like he was REALLY fucked up. Even if at times he flow was crazy. But on this dude sounds like he has found a flow which fits for him and is able to flow with it to nice lines, like dude aint wilding out to the proportion on relapse and sounds alot fresher than on encore. Im pleasantly impressed. The hooks aint memorable mostly however. He could have done with someone helping him out there but i dont mind him being abit vocal at times in rhyme because it kinda fits his style and this is definately a step up. I dont know who produced the music mostly but the new cats younger and fresher definately gave eminem some new fuel imo and it helped. I aint got no doubt about that whatsoever. I think its a solid cd. Best i heard eminem in AGES. I definately wasnt expecting this and its got some joints i'll check past having as an album like where it goes into my my playlist like almost famous and a few others...

Not bad at all...

I don't know what my scores average out as but i dont really work it like that anyway for me.

For me its somewhere between a 7-8/10 album. In todays market in whats coming out in shops as albums, this is pretty solid.

Congrats to eminem to stepping up lol

Oh and on a side note...lmao@virtuoso and dre day lol ''even lyrical g likes it'' haha...y'all aint the only ones suprised!

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Thorough review, says Eminem stepped it up from Relapse

It's not that Eminem said Relapse sucks.  It's that he said it was a way of telling jokes.  He said that was his sole intent.  Okay?  I viewed it as a concept album.  I clearly didn't understand his objective in creating the music.  So, in that respect, it's a complete failure and I can't enjoy (from the perspective of a concept album) because the original artist (eminem) never intended it to be that. 

Basically, my interpretation of his music was wrong and I'm not afraid to admit that.  Therefore, knowing his intent with the music changes my perspective and I have to re-evaluate it. 

Eminem also dismissed Encore as him being on drugs but he didn't come out and do a take back or explain his intent when creating it like he did with Relapse.
 
That's why it's often best that artists don't comment on their work and leave it open to interpretation. 


Edit:
And, it's not just some other man.  It's the ARTIST who created the ART.  I think most people would reflect differently on art if artist explained why and the objective of their art.  Imagine if Drake came out and said he's gay.  People would re-evaluate Best I Ever Had.

This cat calls Relapse a failure as a concept album.

[Sccit]

don't worry ... i'll push your shit in soon when i have time

just be prepared for your fake research to be thoroughly dismantled 

your disingenuous debating is going to make your dick shrink a few inches once i'm done wit u

u gone wish the earth was flat foreal just so u can have an edge to jump off of

[TraceOneInfinite]

don't worry ... i'll push your shit in soon when i have time

just be prepared for your fake research to be thoroughly dismantled 

your disingenuous debating is going to make your dick shrink a few inches once i'm done wit u

u gone wish the earth was flat foreal just so u can have an edge to jump off of

be my guest...u ain't hurtin me with it

...no one is stopping you from doing your own fuccing research dog, in fact, everyone would probably appreciate the effort because it is an interesting topic.  Unfortunately so far nobody has credited me with the 4 hours of research I put in yesterday, but it was still fun to do because I have a lot of time to kill for this week and the next 2 weeks

[Sccit]

i was going to go down the thread and tally up all the positive reviews for relapse vs positive reviews for recovery

which show roughly about 70% positive for relapse and 30% positive for recovery

but you're right.. i have a family and classic music of my own to work on .... so i don't have time to sit around and waste 4 hours doing that.. however, i'll leave u with this:

[hitsaw]

What rap fans got “I love the way you lie “ in the playlist?