EMINEM - RECOVERY (Official Discussion)

[TraceOneInfinite]

i was going to go down the thread and tally up all the positive reviews for relapse vs positive reviews for recovery

which show roughly about 70% positive for relapse and 30% positive for recovery

but you're right.. i have a family and classic music of my own to work on .... so i don't have time to sit around and waste 4 hours doing that.. however, i'll leave u with this:

You say it’s 70/30… I’m not sure that’s been proven.

Looks closer to 50/50 to me… and 70/30 is just barely enough for you to even be making the claims your making—and considering how ardent you have been about it you need even more than 70/30 to be fuccin calling people disingenuous

[Duck Duck Doggy]

So I went back and listened to Relapse Revovery and MMLP2 and bro it’s not even close. Relapse with the Refill tracks is better than both of those albums by far. Dre’s production was a near his peak and Em is still rapping his butt off. Flow is still there he still had rhythm and soul

Recovery. Some good tracks here but the sound has drastically shifted. I think around this time Eminem was killed and cloned and we got a completely new artist. Honestly he should have another name as an artist from this point on because it’s like two completely separate artists and careers

MMLP2. I like the replay value for this album better than Recovery. I like the old school rap rock thing Rick Rubin was doing for the production and beastie boy Eminem flow is better than the other yelling flow with no rhythm but this album really shouldn’t have been called mmlp2. I think looking at it as a sequel just creates unnecessary expectations and then you are automatically disappointed whereas if it had a different title we’d just be happy it was better than recovery and say Em is back!!

Unfortunately the worst Em followed this with Revival which to me only had 1 good track.

The albums following this were better but still missing that special intangible quality that made em em

Think his sobriety streak has something to do with this.

[Sccit]

You say it’s 70/30… I’m not sure that’s been proven.

Looks closer to 50/50 to me… and 70/30 is just barely enough for you to even be making the claims your making—and considering how ardent you have been about it you need even more than 70/30 to be fuccin calling people disingenuous

ummm

you're still being disingenuous even in this post lmao

my disingenuous claim was about you nitpicking positive reviews from recovery and negative reviews from relapse to paint a picture as if more people liked recovery

and u know that's what i meant

so why continue being fake?

i get your entire life is predicated on being a contrarian .. but it should never be at the expense of keepin it real

70/30 was being generous .. in this thread on an eminem forum it's more like 90/10:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Eminem/comments/xvee3q/recovery_or_relapse_i_prefer_recovery/

and i literally just showed u the answer from chatgpt ... are u guna deny chatgpt as a source too?

[Sccit]

So I went back and listened to Relapse Revovery and MMLP2 and bro it’s not even close. Relapse with the Refill tracks is better than both of those albums by far. Dre’s production was a near his peak and Em is still rapping his butt off. Flow is still there he still had rhythm and soul

Recovery. Some good tracks here but the sound has drastically shifted. I think around this time Eminem was killed and cloned and we got a completely new artist. Honestly he should have another name as an artist from this point on because it’s like two completely separate artists and careers

MMLP2. I like the replay value for this album better than Recovery. I like the old school rap rock thing Rick Rubin was doing for the production and beastie boy Eminem flow is better than the other yelling flow with no rhythm but this album really shouldn’t have been called mmlp2. I think looking at it as a sequel just creates unnecessary expectations and then you are automatically disappointed whereas if it had a different title we’d just be happy it was better than recovery and say Em is back!!

Unfortunately the worst Em followed this with Revival which to me only had 1 good track.

The albums following this were better but still missing that special intangible quality that made em em

Think his sobriety streak has something to do with this.

spot on

[Duck Duck Doggy]

Been bumping relapse with refill today this is vintage Eminem & Dre tbh

Infinite was saying how em wasn’t talking what was going on in his life and didn’t talk about proof. Deja Vu is probably one of the most personal songs he’s ever made and he literally raps about losing proof and spiraling into a drug addict

[TraceOneInfinite]

ummm

you're still being disingenuous even in this post lmao

my disingenuous claim was about you nitpicking positive reviews from recovery and negative reviews from relapse to paint a picture as if more people liked recovery

and u know that's what i meant

so why continue being fake?

i get your entire life is predicated on being a contrarian .. but it should never be at the expense of keepin it real

70/30 was being generous .. in this thread on an eminem forum it's more like 90/10:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Eminem/comments/xvee3q/recovery_or_relapse_i_prefer_recovery/

and i literally just showed u the answer from chatgpt ... are u guna deny chatgpt as a source too?

It's not what you are making this out to be about being "contrarian."   You don't even really know what that is all about.  You think that is just about someone who wants to troll and argue, and wants to always take the minority viewpoint for attention.  It's not like that.  It's about doing research and seeing if a generally held hypothesis can hold up.  I'll give you a better example.  Like the movie MONEY BALL.  Bill James said the consensus in baseball was that BUNTING was an integral part of the game.  So it wasn't that he just wanted to be "contrarian", it was that he likes to challenge the general consensus and see if it can be proven and if the statistics can bear out.  And guess what happened?  He revolutionized the game of baseball. 

So something that seems obvious to everyone, is that you try to put lefties in the lineup to face a right handed pitcher.  Well, Bill James challenges that idea and argues that the monumental effort to pair up hitters to bat opposite righty against a lefty pitcher and vice-versa is wasted resources. 

And yes, it is fun.  It is fun to do that kind of research to discover something that wasn't seen before.  But you think being "contrarian" is just like trolling with an minority opinion for attention.

...The case here I'm not even taking a contrarian opinion because the opinion of music journalists AND EMINEM HIMSELF was that Relapse was a let down and Recovery was a comeback.  So actually, I'm not even on the "contrary" side as you want to paint this.

Also, if I wanted so badly to be contrarian then wouldn't I be out here trying to push some rapper like Ras Kass as being the greatest rapper in history?  But no, I'm out here pushing the obvious choice that 2pac is the greatest of all-time.  Wouldn't I be out here arguing that the greatest NBA player of all time was somebody like Bill Russel, or argue that Scottie was actually the key guy on the Bulls, just to be "contrarian"?   No, I just always said and still say the obvious choice that Jordan is the greatest.  Same with albums, shouldn't I be saying that the greatest album ever is some obscure shit that only late 90's backpackers listen to?  No, I've always said that All Eyez On Me is the greatest album of all time. 

So.. kill that noize about my life's purpose is not to be "contrarian'. 

[Sccit]

It's not what you are making this out to be about being "contrarian."   You don't even really know what that is all about.  You think that is just about someone who wants to troll and argue, and wants to always take the minority viewpoint for attention.  It's not like that.  It's about doing research and seeing if a generally held hypothesis can hold up.  I'll give you a better example.  Like the movie MONEY BALL.  Bill James said the consensus in baseball was that BUNTING was an integral part of the game.  So it wasn't that he just wanted to be "contrarian", it was that he likes to challenge the general consensus and see if it can be proven and if the statistics can bear out.  And guess what happened?  He revolutionized the game of baseball. 

So something that seems obvious to everyone, is that you try to put lefties in the lineup to face a right handed pitcher.  Well, Bill James challenges that idea and argues that the monumental effort to pair up hitters to bat opposite righty against a lefty pitcher and vice-versa is wasted resources. 

And yes, it is fun.  It is fun to do that kind of research to discover something that wasn't seen before.  But you think being "contrarian" is just like trolling with an minority opinion for attention.

...The case here I'm not even taking a contrarian opinion because the opinion of music journalists AND EMINEM HIMSELF was that Relapse was a let down and Recovery was a comeback.  So actually, I'm not even on the "contrary" side as you want to paint this.

Also, if I wanted so badly to be contrarian then wouldn't I be out here trying to push some rapper like Ras Kass as being the greatest rapper in history?  But no, I'm out here pushing the obvious choice that 2pac is the greatest of all-time.  Wouldn't I be out here arguing that the greatest NBA player of all time was somebody like Bill Russel, or argue that Scottie was actually the key guy on the Bulls, just to be "contrarian"?   No, I just always said and still say the obvious choice that Jordan is the greatest.  Same with albums, shouldn't I be saying that the greatest album ever is some obscure shit that only late 90's backpackers listen to?  No, I've always said that All Eyez On Me is the greatest album of all time. 

So.. kill that noize about my life's purpose is not to be "contrarian'.

being a contrarian doesn't mean u need to go full retard lol

so sayin scottie pippen is the goat or that ras kass is better than pac would make u lose credibility as a contrarian .. and u already know that. plus you are also a very nostalgia driven person, so pac and mj are a huge part of your "i am 1996" youth .. thats the other part of your identity .. your contrarian mentality doesn't include your nostalgic obsession with pop culture from the 90s, when "life was good"

as for relapse vs recovery, you must have missed eminem changing his mind on it and embracing it on his most recent album, even calling it a cult classic. because u keep pointing out that when he was in his "i'm mature now!" phase he denounced it in favor of pop records, but his stance has since changed.

as for critics.. allmusic, entertainment weekly, pitchfork, the guardian, and rolling stone all rated relapse better

so even with recovery being a commercial pop success, the critics still weren't claiming it a huge comeback like you're painting it out to be... that was only the pop crowd.


once again, there's no point in you arguing further .. chatgpt already spelled it out for u. this isn't bunting. it's more like arguing that you should walk a player who has a .155 batting average.


btw, good job ignoring doggy's points where he makes it seem like you've never even listened to Relapse.

[Duck Duck Doggy]

btw, good job ignoring doggy's points where he makes it seem like you've never even listened to Relapse.

Yeaaaahhhh!!!! Quit ducking

[WCThang]

It's funny that Relapse has probably aged best of his latter career albums. The voice is still annoying but Dre's production was still so flawless in this era. I wish we were getting those Dre beats today.

Recovery felt like a solid album at the time (expectations considering) but it hasn't aged well. It sounds dated and poppy.

Revival is honestly one of the worst rap albums I've ever heard.

MMLP2 is solid, better than it gets credit for. Lots of really good songs.

[Duck Duck Doggy]

It's funny that Relapse has probably aged best of his latter career albums. The voice is still annoying but Dre's production was still so flawless in this era. I wish we were getting those Dre beats today.

Recovery felt like a solid album at the time (expectations considering) but it hasn't aged well. It sounds dated and poppy.

Revival is honestly one of the worst rap albums I've ever heard.

MMLP2 is solid, better than it gets credit for. Lots of really good songs.

Yup pretty much what sccit and myself have been saying. I thought most heads would agree kinda surprised infinite feels this way. I think it’s time to revisit the album itself instead of the thread. And really let it sink in for a few days before you judge it

[TraceOneInfinite]

being a contrarian doesn't mean u need to go full retard lol

so sayin scottie pippen is the goat or that ras kass is better than pac would make u lose credibility as a contrarian .. and u already know that. plus you are also a very nostalgia driven person, so pac and mj are a huge part of your "i am 1996" youth .. thats the other part of your identity .. your contrarian mentality doesn't include your nostalgic obsession with pop culture from the 90s, when "life was good"

as for relapse vs recovery, you must have missed eminem changing his mind on it and embracing it on his most recent album, even calling it a cult classic. because u keep pointing out that when he was in his "i'm mature now!" phase he denounced it in favor of pop records, but his stance has since changed.

as for critics.. allmusic, entertainment weekly, pitchfork, the guardian, and rolling stone all rated relapse better

so even with recovery being a commercial pop success, the critics still weren't claiming it a huge comeback like you're painting it out to be... that was only the pop crowd.


once again, there's no point in you arguing further .. chatgpt already spelled it out for u. this isn't bunting. it's more like arguing that you should walk a player who has a .155 batting average.


btw, good job ignoring doggy's points where he makes it seem like you've never even listened to Relapse.

I'm a fan of Taylor Swift music; is that contrarian?  Is that 90's nostalgia? 

[Sccit]

I'm a fan of Taylor Swift music; is that contrarian?  Is that 90's nostalgia?

yup .. liking taylor swift as a hip-hop head in his 40s is exactly something a contrarian would do


and still duckin doggy i see


 

[mtbsm]

Went back to relapse this week too… last great body of Dre work..

[TraceOneInfinite]

Been bumping relapse with refill today this is vintage Eminem & Dre tbh

Infinite was saying how em wasn’t talking what was going on in his life and didn’t talk about proof. Deja Vu is probably one of the most personal songs he’s ever made and he literally raps about losing proof and spiraling into a drug addict

Yeah and when the album came out I noted this fact and thought this song and “Beautiful” and “Crack a Bottle” were better than the other tracks because they actually followed the storyline of Em’s life and career.  But those tracks were of course outliers

[TraceOneInfinite]

yup .. liking taylor swift as a hip-hop head in his 40s is exactly something a contrarian would do


and still duckin doggy i see


 

Homie, I think you overestimate me, I have zero real life friends I hang out with and zero social life outside of work.  So when work and students started slowing down for the summer — I have nothing better to do than respond to every post on the dubcc.  I happily replied to Dogg’s post above.

I’m too bored to be “ducking anybody”