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Looks like LeBron is staying in Cleveland (gonna announce his decision Thursday)
Halu Sination:
--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click on July 08, 2010, 09:41:49 AM ---Bird had HOFers, Magic had HOFers, MJ had HOFers, Kobe had Shaq (HOF), Kobe had All-Stars coming off the bench & a coach that supposedly "wins"; so you can't realistically tell me if LeBron were to sign with Miami, it would take away from his rings lol.
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Not to be a detail whore, but MJ had one HOFer. Singular, not plural. I personally think Rodman deserved to be in the HOF though. And Kobe has one All-Star. Again, singular not plural. And I'm not quite sure why that even came up, because an All-Star and a HOFer is a world of a fucking difference lol
And there's also another huge difference between the examples you gave and LeBron's scenario. Bird, Magic, MJ, and Kobe never had to leave any teams to join another HOFer's team somewhere else. The argument is really going to become "Wade had HOFers" because it's Wades team and LeBron (no matter how egotistical he may seem) knows that.
I'll repeat myself here... I don't see him going to a team that is clearly Wade's team, it'll be like KG & Pierce in 2008. Everyone knew KG was the better player (and outside of the city they played in, KG was way more popular), but the team was still considered Pierce's team and he was the one who got the credit as the team captain who stayed loyal throughout the thick and the thin. LeBron is in his prime and has his pride, he doesn't have to resort to that just yet.
Chamillitary Click:
--- Quote from: 7even on July 08, 2010, 10:07:58 AM ---^Well, if he goes to Chicago with Boozer, Rose, Deng and Noah... he damn sure has a contender at hand! If he stays in Cleveland with Varejao as the third best player? Never goes to the Finals again.
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True, I really do like his situation in Chicago.
--- Quote from: Halu Sination on July 08, 2010, 10:10:41 AM ---
--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click on July 08, 2010, 09:41:49 AM ---Bird had HOFers, Magic had HOFers, MJ had HOFers, Kobe had Shaq (HOF), Kobe had All-Stars coming off the bench & a coach that supposedly "wins"; so you can't realistically tell me if LeBron were to sign with Miami, it would take away from his rings lol.
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Not to be a detail whore, but MJ had one HOFer. Singular, not plural. I personally think Rodman deserved to be in the HOF though. And Kobe has one All-Star. Again, singular not plural. And I'm not quite sure why that even came up, because an All-Star and a HOFer is a world of a fucking difference lol
And there's also another huge difference between the examples you gave and LeBron's scenario. Bird, Magic, MJ, and Kobe never had to leave any teams to join another HOFer's team somewhere else. The argument is really going to become "Wade had HOFers" because it's Wades team and LeBron (no matter how egotistical he may seem) knows that.
I'll repeat myself here... I don't see him going to a team that is clearly Wade's team, it'll be like KG & Pierce in 2008. Everyone knew KG was the better player (and outside of the city they played in, KG was way more popular), but the team was still considered Pierce's team and he was the one who got the credit as the team captain who stayed loyal throughout the thick and the thin. LeBron is in his prime and has his pride, he doesn't have to resort to that just yet.
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Yeah, but Kobe was about to leave, begged to leave if they couldn't get him an amazing cast; they did & then everybody celebrates like he souly got the ring lol.
I'm big on it being a team game, if they come together & win a ring, I'll be the first to say the "MIAMI HEAT" are the champions; sure LeBron is a champion, but I won't be saying he's the reason they won. Just like all the Champs of the past. None of them did it alone, there was some sort of great help behind them & this case is no different. It's just not LeBron being a triple-double scoring machine.
Everybody makes the case he isn't a "leader" or "helps people be better", well here is a golden chance to prove he is. I can understand why people would hate on it, I mean it only came up that LeBron would hurt himself because the Nets owner is upset that he knows that's where he's headed & tried to play at LeBron's ego.
Boston does it, nobody really hated KG, Pierce & Ray at the time they formed the big 3, so nobody gave them shit, until they proved they can win. This is just another case of people being upset they KNOW LeBron (the man everybody loves to hate) will MOST LIKELY get his first ring & people are running to the excuse book finding ways to take away from him.
When it's no different than anything else; it's harder if anything because all those other championship teams had a deep bench or at least a great starting five, even the Celtics had a great bench. This possible Miami team would have a bunch of minimum contract players around them, it's basically their big 3 vs. everybody.
you gon always be my latin queen bitch:
Wit chitowns current squad...how he not win wit his team of 7 years...but he gon wit deng, noah, and boozer? And boozer jus signed
Halu Sination:
--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click on July 08, 2010, 10:22:13 AM ---
--- Quote from: Halu Sination on July 08, 2010, 10:10:41 AM ---
--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click on July 08, 2010, 09:41:49 AM ---Bird had HOFers, Magic had HOFers, MJ had HOFers, Kobe had Shaq (HOF), Kobe had All-Stars coming off the bench & a coach that supposedly "wins"; so you can't realistically tell me if LeBron were to sign with Miami, it would take away from his rings lol.
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Not to be a detail whore, but MJ had one HOFer. Singular, not plural. I personally think Rodman deserved to be in the HOF though. And Kobe has one All-Star. Again, singular not plural. And I'm not quite sure why that even came up, because an All-Star and a HOFer is a world of a fucking difference lol
And there's also another huge difference between the examples you gave and LeBron's scenario. Bird, Magic, MJ, and Kobe never had to leave any teams to join another HOFer's team somewhere else. The argument is really going to become "Wade had HOFers" because it's Wades team and LeBron (no matter how egotistical he may seem) knows that.
I'll repeat myself here... I don't see him going to a team that is clearly Wade's team, it'll be like KG & Pierce in 2008. Everyone knew KG was the better player (and outside of the city they played in, KG was way more popular), but the team was still considered Pierce's team and he was the one who got the credit as the team captain who stayed loyal throughout the thick and the thin. LeBron is in his prime and has his pride, he doesn't have to resort to that just yet.
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Yeah, but Kobe was about to leave, begged to leave if they couldn't get him an amazing cast; they did & then everybody celebrates like he souly got the ring lol.
I'm big on it being a team game, if they come together & win a ring, I'll be the first to say the "MIAMI HEAT" are the champions; sure LeBron is a champion, but I won't be saying he's the reason they won. Just like all the Champs of the past. None of them did it alone, there was some sort of great help behind them & this case is no different. It's just not LeBron being a triple-double scoring machine.
Everybody makes the case he isn't a "leader" or "helps people be better", well here is a golden chance to prove he is. I can understand why people would hate on it, I mean it only came up that LeBron would hurt himself because the Nets owner is upset that he knows that's where he's headed & tried to play at LeBron's ego.
Boston does it, nobody really hated KG, Pierce & Ray at the time they formed the big 3, so nobody gave them shit, until they proved they can win. This is just another case of people being upset they KNOW LeBron (the man everybody loves to hate) will MOST LIKELY get his first ring & people are running to the excuse book finding ways to take away from him.
When it's no different than anything else; it's harder if anything because all those other championship teams had a deep bench or at least a great starting five, even the Celtics had a great bench. This possible Miami team would have a bunch of minimum contract players around them, it's basically their big 3 vs. everybody.
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Actually it's not a golden chance to prove he's a leader. It's quite the opposite. Again, he's joining Wade on Wade's team. When KG joined Pierce in Boston, KG pretty much conceded to the fact that he wasn't a leader (although he only really had one realistic chance in 2004, not nearly as many as LeBron realistically had). In 2008, I feel like KG was clearly the best player on the Celtics. But the fact that it was Pierce's team had skewed so many people's opinions into thinking Pierce being the best player of the team.
LeBron leaving his own team, after the humbling play-off failures, to join Wade would really only serve as extra ammunition against him. If LeBron actually cares about that, and I think he does, then I think what 7even brought up is actually his best option if he has to leave Cleveland. Chicago has no HOFers yet (they do have a developing superstar though), LeBron would obviously be the leader of that team. And they'd have a damn good chance as contenders.
theremedy360:
Mark my words, if Lebron goes to Miami the Heat will gain the biggest bandwagon following in the history of sports.
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