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^ No offense but why was that post directed at me? None of that has anything to do with the example I brought up, which was Derek Fisher.Derek Fisher was arguably the worst starting PG in the league during the regular season. In the offseason, he had his shitty moments too, but he managed to step up time and time again including single-handedly winning us Game 3 in Boston in the last few minutes of the game. Clutchness is ability to perform under pressure and step up when the team needs it. It has a lot more to do than just "making impossible shots".
Quote from: Halu Sination on July 12, 2010, 05:33:49 PM^ No offense but why was that post directed at me? None of that has anything to do with the example I brought up, which was Derek Fisher.Derek Fisher was arguably the worst starting PG in the league during the regular season. In the offseason, he had his shitty moments too, but he managed to step up time and time again including single-handedly winning us Game 3 in Boston in the last few minutes of the game. Clutchness is ability to perform under pressure and step up when the team needs it. It has a lot more to do than just "making impossible shots".Just showing that a video of "the top 5 most clutch shots" which are all game winning shots in the finals are nothing more than two wide open threes, two vintage hook shots & Jordan being Jordan; no "stepping up", just doing what they always do, just late in a game.If I recall, Derek Fisher's biggest shots are 3 pointers & Fisher has always been considered a great 3 point shooter, so what's the difference?And like I said, if "being clutch" is calming your nerves, magically allowing you to hit shots at will, then why can't players just play calm the entire game & shoot 80% percent from the field? I mean, with 4 mintues left to play in the second quarter, there is no pressure, so why can't players just shoot unconcious; if you're saying being clutch is the calming of the nerves?
Quote from: LooN3y on July 08, 2010, 08:05:29 PMim still not scared of this team till i see the rest of the roster period.Boston only had rookie ass Rondo, spot-up shooter House, charge-taking Posey and county jail player Perkins. You think the Heat can't come up with role players like those, despite having the best "Big 3" in the history of basketball?Even without House and Posey, Celtics took you to 7 games, all while the big 3 was semi-retired. Man, the Heat can not be fucked with for years to come. They will be much better than the Celtics of 08, which is easily enough to beat the 2011 Lakers (no diss).Me, knowing the Mavs will never win shit, am just glad to witness the SHOWTIME HEAT ...
im still not scared of this team till i see the rest of the roster period.
Quote from: Chamillitary Click on July 12, 2010, 05:44:31 PMQuote from: Halu Sination on July 12, 2010, 05:33:49 PM^ No offense but why was that post directed at me? None of that has anything to do with the example I brought up, which was Derek Fisher.Derek Fisher was arguably the worst starting PG in the league during the regular season. In the offseason, he had his shitty moments too, but he managed to step up time and time again including single-handedly winning us Game 3 in Boston in the last few minutes of the game. Clutchness is ability to perform under pressure and step up when the team needs it. It has a lot more to do than just "making impossible shots".Just showing that a video of "the top 5 most clutch shots" which are all game winning shots in the finals are nothing more than two wide open threes, two vintage hook shots & Jordan being Jordan; no "stepping up", just doing what they always do, just late in a game.If I recall, Derek Fisher's biggest shots are 3 pointers & Fisher has always been considered a great 3 point shooter, so what's the difference?And like I said, if "being clutch" is calming your nerves, magically allowing you to hit shots at will, then why can't players just play calm the entire game & shoot 80% percent from the field? I mean, with 4 mintues left to play in the second quarter, there is no pressure, so why can't players just shoot unconcious; if you're saying being clutch is the calming of the nerves?Well I agree that there's more to being clutch than just hitting gamewinners, although gamewinners can help an argument when it comes to being clutch if that's what a player becomes known for.Like I said, being clutch just means performing well under pressure. This can mean that great players are doing what they always do (aka NOT folding under pressure), or this can mean a role player such as Robert Horry or Derek Fisher stepping up to the occasion.In all honesty, I don't think anyone can explain how Derek Fisher becomes so much better in the final minutes of close games in must-win situations. He just does lol.
Quote from: Halu Sination on July 12, 2010, 06:04:58 PMQuote from: Chamillitary Click on July 12, 2010, 05:44:31 PMQuote from: Halu Sination on July 12, 2010, 05:33:49 PM^ No offense but why was that post directed at me? None of that has anything to do with the example I brought up, which was Derek Fisher.Derek Fisher was arguably the worst starting PG in the league during the regular season. In the offseason, he had his shitty moments too, but he managed to step up time and time again including single-handedly winning us Game 3 in Boston in the last few minutes of the game. Clutchness is ability to perform under pressure and step up when the team needs it. It has a lot more to do than just "making impossible shots".Just showing that a video of "the top 5 most clutch shots" which are all game winning shots in the finals are nothing more than two wide open threes, two vintage hook shots & Jordan being Jordan; no "stepping up", just doing what they always do, just late in a game.If I recall, Derek Fisher's biggest shots are 3 pointers & Fisher has always been considered a great 3 point shooter, so what's the difference?And like I said, if "being clutch" is calming your nerves, magically allowing you to hit shots at will, then why can't players just play calm the entire game & shoot 80% percent from the field? I mean, with 4 mintues left to play in the second quarter, there is no pressure, so why can't players just shoot unconcious; if you're saying being clutch is the calming of the nerves?Well I agree that there's more to being clutch than just hitting gamewinners, although gamewinners can help an argument when it comes to being clutch if that's what a player becomes known for.Like I said, being clutch just means performing well under pressure. This can mean that great players are doing what they always do (aka NOT folding under pressure), or this can mean a role player such as Robert Horry or Derek Fisher stepping up to the occasion.In all honesty, I don't think anyone can explain how Derek Fisher becomes so much better in the final minutes of close games in must-win situations. He just does lol.I think the term clutch is completely overused tho. I think it exists. But I agree with Cham too. If you shoot 45% from the field normally, and shoot 45% from the field in the final 2 minutes of a game...how is that clutch? IMO, the media tends to build up clutchness (is that a word!?) a lot. Fans love to see game winners, and guys who hit game winners. But how much do they ever focus on the shots these guys miss at the buzzer? Or in the last 2 minutes? Not much. Its just not exciting to talk about. I personally dont see Fisher as being extra CLUTCH compared to a lot of players. Just right place, right time. Same with Horry kind of. These guys just happen to play on teams where there were a lot of BIG moments to be captured. Think about how many playoff series and finals Fisher and Horry have been to. And they are guys who are getting the shots at the ends of games, usually because they are open.
Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on July 15, 2010, 11:42:01 AMQuote from: Halu Sination on July 12, 2010, 06:04:58 PMQuote from: Chamillitary Click on July 12, 2010, 05:44:31 PMQuote from: Halu Sination on July 12, 2010, 05:33:49 PM^ No offense but why was that post directed at me? None of that has anything to do with the example I brought up, which was Derek Fisher.Derek Fisher was arguably the worst starting PG in the league during the regular season. In the offseason, he had his shitty moments too, but he managed to step up time and time again including single-handedly winning us Game 3 in Boston in the last few minutes of the game. Clutchness is ability to perform under pressure and step up when the team needs it. It has a lot more to do than just "making impossible shots".Just showing that a video of "the top 5 most clutch shots" which are all game winning shots in the finals are nothing more than two wide open threes, two vintage hook shots & Jordan being Jordan; no "stepping up", just doing what they always do, just late in a game.If I recall, Derek Fisher's biggest shots are 3 pointers & Fisher has always been considered a great 3 point shooter, so what's the difference?And like I said, if "being clutch" is calming your nerves, magically allowing you to hit shots at will, then why can't players just play calm the entire game & shoot 80% percent from the field? I mean, with 4 mintues left to play in the second quarter, there is no pressure, so why can't players just shoot unconcious; if you're saying being clutch is the calming of the nerves?Well I agree that there's more to being clutch than just hitting gamewinners, although gamewinners can help an argument when it comes to being clutch if that's what a player becomes known for.Like I said, being clutch just means performing well under pressure. This can mean that great players are doing what they always do (aka NOT folding under pressure), or this can mean a role player such as Robert Horry or Derek Fisher stepping up to the occasion.In all honesty, I don't think anyone can explain how Derek Fisher becomes so much better in the final minutes of close games in must-win situations. He just does lol.I think the term clutch is completely overused tho. I think it exists. But I agree with Cham too. If you shoot 45% from the field normally, and shoot 45% from the field in the final 2 minutes of a game...how is that clutch? IMO, the media tends to build up clutchness (is that a word!?) a lot. Fans love to see game winners, and guys who hit game winners. But how much do they ever focus on the shots these guys miss at the buzzer? Or in the last 2 minutes? Not much. Its just not exciting to talk about. I personally dont see Fisher as being extra CLUTCH compared to a lot of players. Just right place, right time. Same with Horry kind of. These guys just happen to play on teams where there were a lot of BIG moments to be captured. Think about how many playoff series and finals Fisher and Horry have been to. And they are guys who are getting the shots at the ends of games, usually because they are open.Yes...and certain players (Kobe Bryant, Michael Jordan) excel under pressure, while others (LeBron James, Cliff Robinson) fold. Even when playing pick-up ball, you can tell that there's a difference between the peeps with extra heart who step it up when the game is at peak levels, and those who are not as in the moment as the ones who have a greater passion to win. Then there are those who are in between, who are emotionally disconnected from the game and play the same game all the way down to the wire. Anyone who's actually played ball in their life wont argue this.
Quote from: NIKCC on July 15, 2010, 12:04:51 PMQuote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on July 15, 2010, 11:42:01 AMQuote from: Halu Sination on July 12, 2010, 06:04:58 PMQuote from: Chamillitary Click on July 12, 2010, 05:44:31 PMQuote from: Halu Sination on July 12, 2010, 05:33:49 PM^ No offense but why was that post directed at me? None of that has anything to do with the example I brought up, which was Derek Fisher.Derek Fisher was arguably the worst starting PG in the league during the regular season. In the offseason, he had his shitty moments too, but he managed to step up time and time again including single-handedly winning us Game 3 in Boston in the last few minutes of the game. Clutchness is ability to perform under pressure and step up when the team needs it. It has a lot more to do than just "making impossible shots".Just showing that a video of "the top 5 most clutch shots" which are all game winning shots in the finals are nothing more than two wide open threes, two vintage hook shots & Jordan being Jordan; no "stepping up", just doing what they always do, just late in a game.If I recall, Derek Fisher's biggest shots are 3 pointers & Fisher has always been considered a great 3 point shooter, so what's the difference?And like I said, if "being clutch" is calming your nerves, magically allowing you to hit shots at will, then why can't players just play calm the entire game & shoot 80% percent from the field? I mean, with 4 mintues left to play in the second quarter, there is no pressure, so why can't players just shoot unconcious; if you're saying being clutch is the calming of the nerves?Well I agree that there's more to being clutch than just hitting gamewinners, although gamewinners can help an argument when it comes to being clutch if that's what a player becomes known for.Like I said, being clutch just means performing well under pressure. This can mean that great players are doing what they always do (aka NOT folding under pressure), or this can mean a role player such as Robert Horry or Derek Fisher stepping up to the occasion.In all honesty, I don't think anyone can explain how Derek Fisher becomes so much better in the final minutes of close games in must-win situations. He just does lol.I think the term clutch is completely overused tho. I think it exists. But I agree with Cham too. If you shoot 45% from the field normally, and shoot 45% from the field in the final 2 minutes of a game...how is that clutch? IMO, the media tends to build up clutchness (is that a word!?) a lot. Fans love to see game winners, and guys who hit game winners. But how much do they ever focus on the shots these guys miss at the buzzer? Or in the last 2 minutes? Not much. Its just not exciting to talk about. I personally dont see Fisher as being extra CLUTCH compared to a lot of players. Just right place, right time. Same with Horry kind of. These guys just happen to play on teams where there were a lot of BIG moments to be captured. Think about how many playoff series and finals Fisher and Horry have been to. And they are guys who are getting the shots at the ends of games, usually because they are open.Yes...and certain players (Kobe Bryant, Michael Jordan) excel under pressure, while others (LeBron James, Cliff Robinson) fold. Even when playing pick-up ball, you can tell that there's a difference between the peeps with extra heart who step it up when the game is at peak levels, and those who are not as in the moment as the ones who have a greater passion to win. Then there are those who are in between, who are emotionally disconnected from the game and play the same game all the way down to the wire. Anyone who's actually played ball in their life wont argue this.What youre calling clutch, others would call inconsistent lol.What Im saying is, people use the term clutch everytime a big shot is made. Every game winning shot is.."clutch"!! lol. Even if that player makes 4 out 10 game winning shots, all the 4 shots are clutch...and the other 6 misses dont exist. Even if that player regularly shoots 40% from the field. How is that "clutch"? Thats just doing what you normally do. The moment itself is all that makes it "clutch". Not the performance. And some players have been put in bigger moments.
Quote from: 7even on July 08, 2010, 08:11:50 PMQuote from: LooN3y on July 08, 2010, 08:05:29 PMim still not scared of this team till i see the rest of the roster period.Boston only had rookie ass Rondo, spot-up shooter House, charge-taking Posey and county jail player Perkins. You think the Heat can't come up with role players like those, despite having the best "Big 3" in the history of basketball?Even without House and Posey, Celtics took you to 7 games, all while the big 3 was semi-retired. Man, the Heat can not be fucked with for years to come. They will be much better than the Celtics of 08, which is easily enough to beat the 2011 Lakers (no diss).Me, knowing the Mavs will never win shit, am just glad to witness the SHOWTIME HEAT ... LMAO@Greatest Big 3 in basketball history... Magic-Kareem-Worthy...West-Wilt-Baylor...any of those names ring a bell?
Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on July 15, 2010, 12:34:28 PMQuote from: NIKCC on July 15, 2010, 12:04:51 PMQuote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on July 15, 2010, 11:42:01 AMQuote from: Halu Sination on July 12, 2010, 06:04:58 PMQuote from: Chamillitary Click on July 12, 2010, 05:44:31 PMQuote from: Halu Sination on July 12, 2010, 05:33:49 PM^ No offense but why was that post directed at me? None of that has anything to do with the example I brought up, which was Derek Fisher.Derek Fisher was arguably the worst starting PG in the league during the regular season. In the offseason, he had his shitty moments too, but he managed to step up time and time again including single-handedly winning us Game 3 in Boston in the last few minutes of the game. Clutchness is ability to perform under pressure and step up when the team needs it. It has a lot more to do than just "making impossible shots".Just showing that a video of "the top 5 most clutch shots" which are all game winning shots in the finals are nothing more than two wide open threes, two vintage hook shots & Jordan being Jordan; no "stepping up", just doing what they always do, just late in a game.If I recall, Derek Fisher's biggest shots are 3 pointers & Fisher has always been considered a great 3 point shooter, so what's the difference?And like I said, if "being clutch" is calming your nerves, magically allowing you to hit shots at will, then why can't players just play calm the entire game & shoot 80% percent from the field? I mean, with 4 mintues left to play in the second quarter, there is no pressure, so why can't players just shoot unconcious; if you're saying being clutch is the calming of the nerves?Well I agree that there's more to being clutch than just hitting gamewinners, although gamewinners can help an argument when it comes to being clutch if that's what a player becomes known for.Like I said, being clutch just means performing well under pressure. This can mean that great players are doing what they always do (aka NOT folding under pressure), or this can mean a role player such as Robert Horry or Derek Fisher stepping up to the occasion.In all honesty, I don't think anyone can explain how Derek Fisher becomes so much better in the final minutes of close games in must-win situations. He just does lol.I think the term clutch is completely overused tho. I think it exists. But I agree with Cham too. If you shoot 45% from the field normally, and shoot 45% from the field in the final 2 minutes of a game...how is that clutch? IMO, the media tends to build up clutchness (is that a word!?) a lot. Fans love to see game winners, and guys who hit game winners. But how much do they ever focus on the shots these guys miss at the buzzer? Or in the last 2 minutes? Not much. Its just not exciting to talk about. I personally dont see Fisher as being extra CLUTCH compared to a lot of players. Just right place, right time. Same with Horry kind of. These guys just happen to play on teams where there were a lot of BIG moments to be captured. Think about how many playoff series and finals Fisher and Horry have been to. And they are guys who are getting the shots at the ends of games, usually because they are open.Yes...and certain players (Kobe Bryant, Michael Jordan) excel under pressure, while others (LeBron James, Cliff Robinson) fold. Even when playing pick-up ball, you can tell that there's a difference between the peeps with extra heart who step it up when the game is at peak levels, and those who are not as in the moment as the ones who have a greater passion to win. Then there are those who are in between, who are emotionally disconnected from the game and play the same game all the way down to the wire. Anyone who's actually played ball in their life wont argue this.What youre calling clutch, others would call inconsistent lol.What Im saying is, people use the term clutch everytime a big shot is made. Every game winning shot is.."clutch"!! lol. Even if that player makes 4 out 10 game winning shots, all the 4 shots are clutch...and the other 6 misses dont exist. Even if that player regularly shoots 40% from the field. How is that "clutch"? Thats just doing what you normally do. The moment itself is all that makes it "clutch". Not the performance. And some players have been put in bigger moments. but some people actually do embrace those big moments and play better, with higher intensity and more focus...dont you get it? it's not something just made up to make sports more interesting. it's well documented that some players face the pressure with their chin up, while others fold under it, or even try to run away from it. even when you play horse with the homies, one of your homies might have the best shot ever, perfect mechanics and everything.. but when it's time for the last shot, and they need to make it, they miss the shot, because focus drifts from making the shot to "fuck, if i miss i lose"...and with that thought running in the back of your mind as you shoot, there's a higher chance you'll miss....i've seen it happen many times and have personally experienced it myself playing ball, so to say it's not real is pretty fuckin dumb LOL.