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Halu Sination:
^ No offense but why was that post directed at me? None of that has anything to do with the example I brought up, which was Derek Fisher.
Derek Fisher was arguably the worst starting PG in the league during the regular season. In the offseason, he had his shitty moments too, but he managed to step up time and time again including single-handedly winning us Game 3 in Boston in the last few minutes of the game.
Clutchness is ability to perform under pressure and step up when the team needs it. It has a lot more to do than just "making impossible shots".
Chamillitary Click:
--- Quote from: Halu Sination on July 12, 2010, 05:33:49 PM ---^ No offense but why was that post directed at me? None of that has anything to do with the example I brought up, which was Derek Fisher.
Derek Fisher was arguably the worst starting PG in the league during the regular season. In the offseason, he had his shitty moments too, but he managed to step up time and time again including single-handedly winning us Game 3 in Boston in the last few minutes of the game.
Clutchness is ability to perform under pressure and step up when the team needs it. It has a lot more to do than just "making impossible shots".
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Just showing that a video of "the top 5 most clutch shots" which are all game winning shots in the finals are nothing more than two wide open threes, two vintage hook shots & Jordan being Jordan; no "stepping up", just doing what they always do, just late in a game.
If I recall, Derek Fisher's biggest shots are 3 pointers & Fisher has always been considered a great 3 point shooter, so what's the difference?
And like I said, if "being clutch" is calming your nerves, magically allowing you to hit shots at will, then why can't players just play calm the entire game & shoot 80% percent from the field? I mean, with 4 mintues left to play in the second quarter, there is no pressure, so why can't players just shoot unconcious; if you're saying being clutch is the calming of the nerves?
Halu Sination:
--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click on July 12, 2010, 05:44:31 PM ---
--- Quote from: Halu Sination on July 12, 2010, 05:33:49 PM ---^ No offense but why was that post directed at me? None of that has anything to do with the example I brought up, which was Derek Fisher.
Derek Fisher was arguably the worst starting PG in the league during the regular season. In the offseason, he had his shitty moments too, but he managed to step up time and time again including single-handedly winning us Game 3 in Boston in the last few minutes of the game.
Clutchness is ability to perform under pressure and step up when the team needs it. It has a lot more to do than just "making impossible shots".
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Just showing that a video of "the top 5 most clutch shots" which are all game winning shots in the finals are nothing more than two wide open threes, two vintage hook shots & Jordan being Jordan; no "stepping up", just doing what they always do, just late in a game.
If I recall, Derek Fisher's biggest shots are 3 pointers & Fisher has always been considered a great 3 point shooter, so what's the difference?
And like I said, if "being clutch" is calming your nerves, magically allowing you to hit shots at will, then why can't players just play calm the entire game & shoot 80% percent from the field? I mean, with 4 mintues left to play in the second quarter, there is no pressure, so why can't players just shoot unconcious; if you're saying being clutch is the calming of the nerves?
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Well I agree that there's more to being clutch than just hitting gamewinners, although gamewinners can help an argument when it comes to being clutch if that's what a player becomes known for.
Like I said, being clutch just means performing well under pressure. This can mean that great players are doing what they always do (aka NOT folding under pressure), or this can mean a role player such as Robert Horry or Derek Fisher stepping up to the occasion.
In all honesty, I don't think anyone can explain how Derek Fisher becomes so much better in the final minutes of close games in must-win situations. He just does lol.
Sccit:
--- Quote from: 7even on July 08, 2010, 08:11:50 PM ---
--- Quote from: LooN3y on July 08, 2010, 08:05:29 PM ---im still not scared of this team till i see the rest of the roster period.
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Boston only had rookie ass Rondo, spot-up shooter House, charge-taking Posey and county jail player Perkins. You think the Heat can't come up with role players like those, despite having the best "Big 3" in the history of basketball?
Even without House and Posey, Celtics took you to 7 games, all while the big 3 was semi-retired. Man, the Heat can not be fucked with for years to come. They will be much better than the Celtics of 08, which is easily enough to beat the 2011 Lakers (no diss).
Me, knowing the Mavs will never win shit, am just glad to witness the SHOWTIME HEAT ... ;D
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LMAO@Greatest Big 3 in basketball history... :-X
Magic-Kareem-Worthy...West-Wilt-Baylor...any of those names ring a bell?
.:DaYg0sTyLz:.:
--- Quote from: Halu Sination on July 12, 2010, 06:04:58 PM ---
--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click on July 12, 2010, 05:44:31 PM ---
--- Quote from: Halu Sination on July 12, 2010, 05:33:49 PM ---^ No offense but why was that post directed at me? None of that has anything to do with the example I brought up, which was Derek Fisher.
Derek Fisher was arguably the worst starting PG in the league during the regular season. In the offseason, he had his shitty moments too, but he managed to step up time and time again including single-handedly winning us Game 3 in Boston in the last few minutes of the game.
Clutchness is ability to perform under pressure and step up when the team needs it. It has a lot more to do than just "making impossible shots".
--- End quote ---
Just showing that a video of "the top 5 most clutch shots" which are all game winning shots in the finals are nothing more than two wide open threes, two vintage hook shots & Jordan being Jordan; no "stepping up", just doing what they always do, just late in a game.
If I recall, Derek Fisher's biggest shots are 3 pointers & Fisher has always been considered a great 3 point shooter, so what's the difference?
And like I said, if "being clutch" is calming your nerves, magically allowing you to hit shots at will, then why can't players just play calm the entire game & shoot 80% percent from the field? I mean, with 4 mintues left to play in the second quarter, there is no pressure, so why can't players just shoot unconcious; if you're saying being clutch is the calming of the nerves?
--- End quote ---
Well I agree that there's more to being clutch than just hitting gamewinners, although gamewinners can help an argument when it comes to being clutch if that's what a player becomes known for.
Like I said, being clutch just means performing well under pressure. This can mean that great players are doing what they always do (aka NOT folding under pressure), or this can mean a role player such as Robert Horry or Derek Fisher stepping up to the occasion.
In all honesty, I don't think anyone can explain how Derek Fisher becomes so much better in the final minutes of close games in must-win situations. He just does lol.
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I think the term clutch is completely overused tho. I think it exists. But I agree with Cham too. If you shoot 45% from the field normally, and shoot 45% from the field in the final 2 minutes of a game...how is that clutch? IMO, the media tends to build up clutchness (is that a word!?) a lot. Fans love to see game winners, and guys who hit game winners. But how much do they ever focus on the shots these guys miss at the buzzer? Or in the last 2 minutes? Not much. Its just not exciting to talk about. I personally dont see Fisher as being extra CLUTCH compared to a lot of players. Just right place, right time. Same with Horry kind of. These guys just happen to play on teams where there were a lot of BIG moments to be captured. Think about how many playoff series and finals Fisher and Horry have been to. And they are guys who are getting the shots at the ends of games, usually because they are open.
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