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M Dogg™:

--- Quote from: Shallow on July 23, 2010, 12:13:06 PM ---
--- Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on July 23, 2010, 12:02:21 PM ---
--- Quote from: 7even on July 23, 2010, 11:53:48 AM ---
--- Quote from: Halu Sination on July 22, 2010, 05:27:59 PM ---
--- Quote from: 7even on July 22, 2010, 10:24:06 AM ---Magic didn't win shit until Kareem came, the best center of the 80s. Go figure nigga.

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... you realize Kareem was on the team before Magic, right? And you realize Magic won the championship and the Finals MVP in his rookie season?

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Yes, but you can't compare the situations. Magic played with the best center of the decade. LeBron played with Varejao. He won the Finals MVP because Kareem couldn't play. If Kareem was at 100% all playoffs long, he woulda got the Finals MVP.

It's just laughable when Jordan and Magic diss LeBron (and not say anything about Bosh or Wade) while they have both been lucky as hell by playing in a nice city with a big and attractive market all carreer long and having their share of great teammates that won championships before. LeBron had Cleveland. And Varejao. No comparison at all.

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See, the thing is I do respect Jordan and Magic.  And even on this subject, I understand where they are coming from.  I dont really like the move to Miami myself.  But its Lebrons choice and if he wins some championships no one can tell him shit. 

But these guys are kinda making comparisons that dont make sense. Even fans when they talk about how Magic would never have joined Bird, etc. They are just being dramatic. As if Lebron and Wade had some sort of rivalry lol. Or as if Lebron was gettin bounced out of the playoffs by the Heat every year and he just joins em instead of trying to beat them. This would be much more the case if he decided to sign with the Celtics.

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The stupidest thing about that argument is Magic won in his rookie year and Bird won in his sophomore year. They each had two rings by their 5th year and played each other in the final the 6th year. (And I personally feel that if Larry never got hurt they each would have had 4 going into the 89-90 season and played each other again for the ultimate tie breaker of team and player of the decade but that's just me). The point is Magic and Larry never had to face the frustration of Lebron, Wade, or even Bosh. Wade got one early but since then has had to deal with some clunker teams and Lebron's situation speaks for it self. I guarantee if Magic and Larry had spent the first 5 or 6 years of their career getting beat because their teams weren't so good, and let's say instead of LA and Boston splitting championships Dr J and Malone were winning em all and the opportunity to join forces was made available, they would have at least thought about it.

--- End quote ---

But MJ did have the same frustration. He could never beat that Pistons team, he had to go through those Celtics teams. In Scottie Pippen's rookie year, MJ had 32ppg, Scottie only 7. MJ's greatest help came from Sam Vincent. MJ stuck on those teams, and eventually got the right coach in Phil Jackson. LeBron's teams were better than  MJ's teams, lets not kid ourselves. The Bulls never finished with the first seed until the title years when Phil Jackson came into play. Then the triangle took pressure off MJ and allowed the teams to come together. Bryon Scott might have been that coach, and there was word saying Chris Paul might have wanted to join LeBron. I understand why LeBron did what he did, but lets not act like LeBron was getting shitted on in Cleveland.

Sccit:

--- Quote from: 7even on July 23, 2010, 11:53:48 AM ---
--- Quote from: Halu Sination on July 22, 2010, 05:27:59 PM ---
--- Quote from: 7even on July 22, 2010, 10:24:06 AM ---Magic didn't win shit until Kareem came, the best center of the 80s. Go figure nigga.

--- End quote ---

... you realize Kareem was on the team before Magic, right? And you realize Magic won the championship and the Finals MVP in his rookie season?

--- End quote ---

Yes, but you can't compare the situations. Magic played with the best center of the decade. LeBron played with Varejao. He won the Finals MVP because Kareem couldn't play. If Kareem was at 100% all playoffs long, he woulda got the Finals MVP.

It's just laughable when Jordan and Magic diss LeBron (and not say anything about Bosh or Wade) while they have both been lucky as hell by playing in a nice city with a big and attractive market all carreer long and having their share of great teammates that won championships before. LeBron had Cleveland. And Varejao. No comparison at all.

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Again...after 7 years, Jordan was in the exact same situation as LeBron. In fact, LeBron had it better, because he actually had some all-stars on his squad. LOL. stop the bullshit.

Sccit:

--- Quote from: Shallow on July 23, 2010, 12:13:06 PM ---
--- Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on July 23, 2010, 12:02:21 PM ---
--- Quote from: 7even on July 23, 2010, 11:53:48 AM ---
--- Quote from: Halu Sination on July 22, 2010, 05:27:59 PM ---
--- Quote from: 7even on July 22, 2010, 10:24:06 AM ---Magic didn't win shit until Kareem came, the best center of the 80s. Go figure nigga.

--- End quote ---

... you realize Kareem was on the team before Magic, right? And you realize Magic won the championship and the Finals MVP in his rookie season?

--- End quote ---

Yes, but you can't compare the situations. Magic played with the best center of the decade. LeBron played with Varejao. He won the Finals MVP because Kareem couldn't play. If Kareem was at 100% all playoffs long, he woulda got the Finals MVP.

It's just laughable when Jordan and Magic diss LeBron (and not say anything about Bosh or Wade) while they have both been lucky as hell by playing in a nice city with a big and attractive market all carreer long and having their share of great teammates that won championships before. LeBron had Cleveland. And Varejao. No comparison at all.

--- End quote ---

See, the thing is I do respect Jordan and Magic.  And even on this subject, I understand where they are coming from.  I dont really like the move to Miami myself.  But its Lebrons choice and if he wins some championships no one can tell him shit. 

But these guys are kinda making comparisons that dont make sense. Even fans when they talk about how Magic would never have joined Bird, etc. They are just being dramatic. As if Lebron and Wade had some sort of rivalry lol. Or as if Lebron was gettin bounced out of the playoffs by the Heat every year and he just joins em instead of trying to beat them. This would be much more the case if he decided to sign with the Celtics.

--- End quote ---

The stupidest thing about that argument is Magic won in his rookie year and Bird won in his sophomore year. They each had two rings by their 5th year and played each other in the final the 6th year. (And I personally feel that if Larry never got hurt they each would have had 4 going into the 89-90 season and played each other again for the ultimate tie breaker of team and player of the decade but that's just me). The point is Magic and Larry never had to face the frustration of Lebron, Wade, or even Bosh. Wade got one early but since then has had to deal with some clunker teams and Lebron's situation speaks for it self. I guarantee if Magic and Larry had spent the first 5 or 6 years of their career getting beat because their teams weren't so good, and let's say instead of LA and Boston splitting championships Dr J and Malone were winning em all and the opportunity to join forces was made available, they would have at least thought about it.

--- End quote ---


Magic or Larry woulda led the Cavs to a title by now.......

Sccit:

--- Quote from: M Dogg on July 23, 2010, 12:24:34 PM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on July 23, 2010, 12:13:06 PM ---
--- Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on July 23, 2010, 12:02:21 PM ---
--- Quote from: 7even on July 23, 2010, 11:53:48 AM ---
--- Quote from: Halu Sination on July 22, 2010, 05:27:59 PM ---
--- Quote from: 7even on July 22, 2010, 10:24:06 AM ---Magic didn't win shit until Kareem came, the best center of the 80s. Go figure nigga.

--- End quote ---

... you realize Kareem was on the team before Magic, right? And you realize Magic won the championship and the Finals MVP in his rookie season?

--- End quote ---

Yes, but you can't compare the situations. Magic played with the best center of the decade. LeBron played with Varejao. He won the Finals MVP because Kareem couldn't play. If Kareem was at 100% all playoffs long, he woulda got the Finals MVP.

It's just laughable when Jordan and Magic diss LeBron (and not say anything about Bosh or Wade) while they have both been lucky as hell by playing in a nice city with a big and attractive market all carreer long and having their share of great teammates that won championships before. LeBron had Cleveland. And Varejao. No comparison at all.

--- End quote ---

See, the thing is I do respect Jordan and Magic.  And even on this subject, I understand where they are coming from.  I dont really like the move to Miami myself.  But its Lebrons choice and if he wins some championships no one can tell him shit. 

But these guys are kinda making comparisons that dont make sense. Even fans when they talk about how Magic would never have joined Bird, etc. They are just being dramatic. As if Lebron and Wade had some sort of rivalry lol. Or as if Lebron was gettin bounced out of the playoffs by the Heat every year and he just joins em instead of trying to beat them. This would be much more the case if he decided to sign with the Celtics.

--- End quote ---

The stupidest thing about that argument is Magic won in his rookie year and Bird won in his sophomore year. They each had two rings by their 5th year and played each other in the final the 6th year. (And I personally feel that if Larry never got hurt they each would have had 4 going into the 89-90 season and played each other again for the ultimate tie breaker of team and player of the decade but that's just me). The point is Magic and Larry never had to face the frustration of Lebron, Wade, or even Bosh. Wade got one early but since then has had to deal with some clunker teams and Lebron's situation speaks for it self. I guarantee if Magic and Larry had spent the first 5 or 6 years of their career getting beat because their teams weren't so good, and let's say instead of LA and Boston splitting championships Dr J and Malone were winning em all and the opportunity to join forces was made available, they would have at least thought about it.

--- End quote ---

But MJ did have the same frustration. He could never beat that Pistons team, he had to go through those Celtics teams. In Scottie Pippen's rookie year, MJ had 32ppg, Scottie only 7. MJ's greatest help came from Sam Vincent. MJ stuck on those teams, and eventually got the right coach in Phil Jackson. LeBron's teams were better than  MJ's teams, lets not kid ourselves. The Bulls never finished with the first seed until the title years when Phil Jackson came into play. Then the triangle took pressure off MJ and allowed the teams to come together. Bryon Scott might have been that coach, and there was word saying Chris Paul might have wanted to join LeBron. I understand why LeBron did what he did, but lets not act like LeBron was getting shitted on in Cleveland.

--- End quote ---


finally....some real talk

Shallow:

--- Quote from: M Dogg on July 23, 2010, 12:24:34 PM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on July 23, 2010, 12:13:06 PM ---
--- Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on July 23, 2010, 12:02:21 PM ---
--- Quote from: 7even on July 23, 2010, 11:53:48 AM ---
--- Quote from: Halu Sination on July 22, 2010, 05:27:59 PM ---
--- Quote from: 7even on July 22, 2010, 10:24:06 AM ---Magic didn't win shit until Kareem came, the best center of the 80s. Go figure nigga.

--- End quote ---

... you realize Kareem was on the team before Magic, right? And you realize Magic won the championship and the Finals MVP in his rookie season?

--- End quote ---

Yes, but you can't compare the situations. Magic played with the best center of the decade. LeBron played with Varejao. He won the Finals MVP because Kareem couldn't play. If Kareem was at 100% all playoffs long, he woulda got the Finals MVP.

It's just laughable when Jordan and Magic diss LeBron (and not say anything about Bosh or Wade) while they have both been lucky as hell by playing in a nice city with a big and attractive market all carreer long and having their share of great teammates that won championships before. LeBron had Cleveland. And Varejao. No comparison at all.

--- End quote ---

See, the thing is I do respect Jordan and Magic.  And even on this subject, I understand where they are coming from.  I dont really like the move to Miami myself.  But its Lebrons choice and if he wins some championships no one can tell him shit. 

But these guys are kinda making comparisons that dont make sense. Even fans when they talk about how Magic would never have joined Bird, etc. They are just being dramatic. As if Lebron and Wade had some sort of rivalry lol. Or as if Lebron was gettin bounced out of the playoffs by the Heat every year and he just joins em instead of trying to beat them. This would be much more the case if he decided to sign with the Celtics.

--- End quote ---

The stupidest thing about that argument is Magic won in his rookie year and Bird won in his sophomore year. They each had two rings by their 5th year and played each other in the final the 6th year. (And I personally feel that if Larry never got hurt they each would have had 4 going into the 89-90 season and played each other again for the ultimate tie breaker of team and player of the decade but that's just me). The point is Magic and Larry never had to face the frustration of Lebron, Wade, or even Bosh. Wade got one early but since then has had to deal with some clunker teams and Lebron's situation speaks for it self. I guarantee if Magic and Larry had spent the first 5 or 6 years of their career getting beat because their teams weren't so good, and let's say instead of LA and Boston splitting championships Dr J and Malone were winning em all and the opportunity to join forces was made available, they would have at least thought about it.

--- End quote ---

But MJ did have the same frustration. He could never beat that Pistons team, he had to go through those Celtics teams. In Scottie Pippen's rookie year, MJ had 32ppg, Scottie only 7. MJ's greatest help came from Sam Vincent. MJ stuck on those teams, and eventually got the right coach in Phil Jackson. LeBron's teams were better than  MJ's teams, lets not kid ourselves. The Bulls never finished with the first seed until the title years when Phil Jackson came into play. Then the triangle took pressure off MJ and allowed the teams to come together. Bryon Scott might have been that coach, and there was word saying Chris Paul might have wanted to join LeBron. I understand why LeBron did what he did, but lets not act like LeBron was getting shitted on in Cleveland.

--- End quote ---


I'm not saying he was shitted completely, but MJ wasn't being called the greatest player in the world those years he was losing in the 80s. It was an argument between Larry or Magic. When Phil got there (as head coach) he changed the team and by Phil's second year they won. If they had lost in 91 and Phil was fired and Grant fucked MJs mom, and Larry called and said I'm gonna retire soon and I want you to take my spot as the next great Celtic things may have been different. Or Malone and Stockton called, or if Barkley called and said Doc's gone you're Doc but better. Or Pat Riley called and said I'm going to the big apple to build a new dynasty, you want in? I think MJ may have had some thinking to do. But he won in his 7th year. In his 7th year Lebron went home in the Eastern Final and hung out in his living room with mommy and Delonte. Then after hearing about coach getting fired he gets a call from Bosh and Wade.

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