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YEA..... Lebron Is Much Better
Sccit:
^we've went over this millions of times, you're right, but you've got shit pretty fuckin twisted in your head...the conclusion is that jordan was handed a franchise from day, coming off a successful college career, whereas kobe came out of high school and had to work his way to being as great as he is...that's why it's also argued by many that kobe has a stronger will, work ethic, and passion for the game than jordan did....but that's also why kobe will probably fall short in terms of stats and possibly accomplishments (if kobe wins over 6 titles, this will be argued). kobe is more of a long-range shooter, so naturally, his field goal percentage will be lower...jordan also had all those losing years with chicago where he was simply a stat-machine, whereas when kobe was at that point in his career, he had to share offensive duties with shaq, which really took a lot of attention away from how good he really was and also deflated his stats...but the bottom line is, when it comes to what they can do on the court, there is absolutely NOTHING jordan coulda done that kobe couldn't...jordan, even with all the horrible teams he was on and exaggerated love/respect from league officiating, couldn't score 81 points in a single game...thats mostly because he never had the range kobe has (especially when he's in the zone). jordan is better short range, kobe is better long range...but when it comes to leading teams to the promise land, they are neck-and-neck...this is why i say if kobe leads the lakers to over 6 titles, he will definitely have surpassed jordan. pull up all the stats you want, cuz they wont prove shit...lebron has better stats than jordan, but is clearly nowhere near the player jordan was. stats do not determine shit...watch the players play, and see for yourself. kobe and jordan were in two different situations, so their stats, accomplishments, or accolades will never match...but as far as skills go, nobody in this league has ever been better than kobe. if he gets number 7, he is 24.....1 above jordan. 8)
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--- Quote from: NIKCC on August 05, 2010, 03:17:10 PM ---^we've went over this millions of times, you're right, but you've got shit pretty fuckin twisted in your head...the conclusion is that jordan was handed a franchise from day, coming off a successful college career, whereas kobe came out of high school and had to work his way to being as great as he is...that's why it's also argued by many that kobe has a stronger will, work ethic, and passion for the game than jordan did....but that's also why kobe will probably fall short in terms of stats and possibly accomplishments (if kobe wins over 6 titles, this will be argued). kobe is more of a long-range shooter, so naturally, his field goal percentage will be lower...jordan also had all those losing years with chicago where he was simply a stat-machine, whereas when kobe was at that point in his career, he had to share offensive duties with shaq, which really took a lot of attention away from how good he really was and also deflated his stats...but the bottom line is, when it comes to what they can do on the court, there is absolutely NOTHING jordan coulda done that kobe couldn't...jordan, even with all the horrible teams he was on and exaggerated love/respect from league officiating, couldn't score 81 points in a single game...thats mostly because he never had the range kobe has (especially when he's in the zone). jordan is better short range, kobe is better long range...but when it comes to leading teams to the promise land, they are neck-and-neck...this is why i say if kobe leads the lakers to over 6 titles, he will definitely have surpassed jordan. pull up all the stats you want, cuz they wont prove shit...lebron has better stats than jordan, but is clearly nowhere near the player jordan was. stats do not determine shit...watch the players play, and see for yourself. kobe and jordan were in two different situations, so their stats, accomplishments, or accolades will never match...but as far as skills go, nobody in this league has ever been better than kobe. if he gets number 7, he is 24.....1 above jordan. 8)
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I wanna see who it is that says Kobe has a stronger will, passion, and work ethic than Jordan lol.
And yes, youre right...Jordan was forced to take a bad team and turn them into champs. Kobe was handed the Lakers lol. Kobe came into the ideal situation for a young kid who didnt know shit. If you wanna use the fact that Jordan was on a bad team to say thats why his stats were better, then you can also use the fact that Kobe was handed the Lakers as the reason why he has 5 titles. Remember Shaq was the man for three of them. You like to conveniently forget that. You lose all credibility when you say "in terms of leading a team to the promise land they are neck and neck" LOL!!!. Kobe has LEAD two teams to the promise land. Not that it isnt impressive, of course it is. But you are only making yourself look retarded by claiming that Kobe LEADING two teams to the title is the same as Jordan leading six. Duncan lead FOUR teams to the title, and it still isnt on Jordans level. Bottom line, Kobe wont accomplish anywhere NEAR what Jordan did...and he will have more seasons in the league to do it. He has the CHANCE to catch him in titles. But that isnt enough as Jordan was NEVER the second best player on his team. And that ONE game youre gonna use? lol Seriously? That ONE game. lol. I think Jordan could have scored 81. But who knows. As for that ONE game. Jordan had the statistically better game and shot a better percentage from the field. So to use the point TOTAL is kind of silly. It would be one thing if Kobe shot better from the field. But simply taking 9 more shots...eh.
Sccit:
--- Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on August 05, 2010, 03:43:34 PM ---
--- Quote from: NIKCC on August 05, 2010, 03:17:10 PM ---^we've went over this millions of times, you're right, but you've got shit pretty fuckin twisted in your head...the conclusion is that jordan was handed a franchise from day, coming off a successful college career, whereas kobe came out of high school and had to work his way to being as great as he is...that's why it's also argued by many that kobe has a stronger will, work ethic, and passion for the game than jordan did....but that's also why kobe will probably fall short in terms of stats and possibly accomplishments (if kobe wins over 6 titles, this will be argued). kobe is more of a long-range shooter, so naturally, his field goal percentage will be lower...jordan also had all those losing years with chicago where he was simply a stat-machine, whereas when kobe was at that point in his career, he had to share offensive duties with shaq, which really took a lot of attention away from how good he really was and also deflated his stats...but the bottom line is, when it comes to what they can do on the court, there is absolutely NOTHING jordan coulda done that kobe couldn't...jordan, even with all the horrible teams he was on and exaggerated love/respect from league officiating, couldn't score 81 points in a single game...thats mostly because he never had the range kobe has (especially when he's in the zone). jordan is better short range, kobe is better long range...but when it comes to leading teams to the promise land, they are neck-and-neck...this is why i say if kobe leads the lakers to over 6 titles, he will definitely have surpassed jordan. pull up all the stats you want, cuz they wont prove shit...lebron has better stats than jordan, but is clearly nowhere near the player jordan was. stats do not determine shit...watch the players play, and see for yourself. kobe and jordan were in two different situations, so their stats, accomplishments, or accolades will never match...but as far as skills go, nobody in this league has ever been better than kobe. if he gets number 7, he is 24.....1 above jordan. 8)
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I wanna see who it is that says Kobe has a stronger will, passion, and work ethic than Jordan lol.
And yes, youre right...Jordan was forced to take a bad team and turn them into champs. Kobe was handed the Lakers lol. Kobe came into the ideal situation for a young kid who didnt know shit. If you wanna use the fact that Jordan was on a bad team to say thats why his stats were better, then you can also use the fact that Kobe was handed the Lakers as the reason why he has 5 titles. Remember Shaq was the man for three of them. You like to conveniently forget that. You lose all credibility when you say "in terms of leading a team to the promise land they are neck and neck" LOL!!!. Kobe has LEAD two teams to the promise land. Not that it isnt impressive, of course it is. But you are only making yourself look retarded by claiming that Kobe LEADING two teams to the title is the same as Jordan leading six. Duncan lead FOUR teams to the title, and it still isnt on Jordans level. Bottom line, Kobe wont accomplish anywhere NEAR what Jordan did...and he will have more seasons in the league to do it. He has the CHANCE to catch him in titles. But that isnt enough as Jordan was NEVER the second best player on his team. And that ONE game youre gonna use? lol Seriously? That ONE game. lol. I think Jordan could have scored 81. But who knows. As for that ONE game. Jordan had the statistically better game and shot a better percentage from the field. So to use the point TOTAL is kind of silly. It would be one thing if Kobe shot better from the field. But simply taking 9 more shots...eh.
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many have said it in the past, and many will in the future...
LOL...so if the Shannon Brown was "handed" the Lakers the way Kobe was, he'd have 5 titles now? a player who came outa high school to a stacked team and had to play behind an all-star Eddie Jones...THATS WHAT KOBE WAS. he had to work his way up... what dont you get? you have way more chances of failing when you have to work into a rotation than when a team is just handed to you. that's just common sense. now that i think of it, most of what you say makes no fucking sense, man...really, MOST of it. you just said Kobe was handed the Lakers, yet it's the exact opposite of that. he was on that Lakers team, initially, as a 10th or 11th player in the rotation...Jordan was the one who was handed the Bulls. and you stay penalizing Kobe for his 1st three titles...honestlly, the fact that Kobe was 21-22-23 when he won those titles, as the 1st option in many of the games, might be more amazing than anything Jordan was capable of doing in the 1st portion of his career...why penalize Kobe's greatness because he had to play with Shaq? that makes no sense...Kobe was a captain of the team, was already a future hall-of-famer, was the one hitting the clutch shots and running the offense down the stretch...his stats were pretty much on par with Shaq's....HE IS NOT A ROBIN. GET IT? If he's a Robin, so was Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, and you KNOW that simply sounds fuckin stupid...As for the 81 points, you can say what if, what if...many people have gone on record to say Kobe is more skilled than Jordan offensively...Jordan actually attempted WAY MORE field goals than Kobe has throughout his career, and even shot more field goals in a single game than Kobe ever did...yup! jordan has taken more shots in a single game than Kobe did in his 81 point performance! but fuck stats...it's not about that...take away the accolades, take away the stats, take away the rings, take away everything...on the court, kobe is neck-and-neck with jordan as far as skill, passion, talent, will, etc...there is nothing jordan could do that kobe couldn't...and i truly believe that kobe, with his skill and drive, woulda had 8 straight titles (or more) if he was in jordan's shoes.
Chamillitary Click:
LOL, Michael Jordan's famous quote was "Those who work the hardest are the luckiest people".
It's been known that he got there early before practice & stayed late after practice.
Kobe was too busy raping white bitches & looking at Shaq saying, "You got me with those rings, right?" to have the work ethic in the same universe as Jordan.
& hypothetically, since you love the "Well, IF Kobe did this or he COULD do that", IF LeBron wins seven rings in the next 10 years & has more rings than both, you won't give him the credit because he was a "dick" and left Cleveland. So your opinion is, has been & forever will be irrelevant.
theremedy360:
Another Kobe/MJ thread. My thoughts..we all grew up with MJ being shoved down our throats. He had the media all over his dick. Not to take away from his talent, but I think it's hard for people from this generation to even accept that someone could surpass him. I'm not saying Kobe has, because I think it's way too soon to say that. But, it's also way too soon to say he doesn't have a shot. On the court, there's really nothing that MJ did that Kobe can't do...
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