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I don't see why Jon Stewart should be compared to people at Fox News.
Quote from: Javier on August 25, 2010, 11:27:31 AMI don't see why Jon Stewart should be compared to people at Fox News. He's a staunch liberal, who uses personal attacks, and generally agrees with those of his side only. Fox News Guy: Staunch conservative, who uses personal attacks, and generally agrees with those of his side only.I only see 1 difference there, which is usually what clouds people's judgment (not saying you).Partisan politics at their worst, which is ruining this country.Then, when people criticize him or his views, he pulls the "Im just a comedian" card, when its clear he walks the line between comedian and biased pundit not very well. Can't have it both ways.
Jon Stewart can defend his liberal opinions, so it's not like he just randomly pulls out the I'm a comedian card. He does it because people bust his balls for not reporting the news.
Quote from: Russell Bell on August 25, 2010, 02:31:22 PMQuote from: Javier on August 25, 2010, 11:27:31 AMI don't see why Jon Stewart should be compared to people at Fox News. He's a staunch liberal, who uses personal attacks, and generally agrees with those of his side only. Fox News Guy: Staunch conservative, who uses personal attacks, and generally agrees with those of his side only.I only see 1 difference there, which is usually what clouds people's judgment (not saying you).Partisan politics at their worst, which is ruining this country.Then, when people criticize him or his views, he pulls the "Im just a comedian" card, when its clear he walks the line between comedian and biased pundit not very well. Can't have it both ways.The hell, its like you people copy and paste your criticism. I watch the daily show to get a few laughs. I don't watch it to learn about the latest news and form an opinion about the issues based on what Jon is saying. Stop taking the show so seriously and you'll be fine with it.
Quote from: Javier on August 26, 2010, 10:36:05 AMJon Stewart can defend his liberal opinions, so it's not like he just randomly pulls out the I'm a comedian card. He does it because people bust his balls for not reporting the news. Sure he can defend them.....but when he only sees things, talks about things, and defends things from a liberal POV, he loses credibility in my book (not all liberals are right all the time, you know)....hence my comparison of him to Fox News people (who do the EXACT same thing but from the other side of the spectrum).
Quote from: Russell Bell on August 26, 2010, 05:04:01 PMQuote from: Javier on August 26, 2010, 10:36:05 AMJon Stewart can defend his liberal opinions, so it's not like he just randomly pulls out the I'm a comedian card. He does it because people bust his balls for not reporting the news. Sure he can defend them.....but when he only sees things, talks about things, and defends things from a liberal POV, he loses credibility in my book (not all liberals are right all the time, you know)....hence my comparison of him to Fox News people (who do the EXACT same thing but from the other side of the spectrum).How can a comedian lose credibility on a satirical show? FOX News isn't satire, it's an actual news organization. MSNBC and FOX News is the comparison you're looking for. And yes, I understand both of these news organization have their pundits with their opinion oriented shows, but they also have legit news segments that they don't really show an unbiased point of view.
Quote from: Javier on August 26, 2010, 05:16:21 PMQuote from: Russell Bell on August 26, 2010, 05:04:01 PMQuote from: Javier on August 26, 2010, 10:36:05 AMJon Stewart can defend his liberal opinions, so it's not like he just randomly pulls out the I'm a comedian card. He does it because people bust his balls for not reporting the news. Sure he can defend them.....but when he only sees things, talks about things, and defends things from a liberal POV, he loses credibility in my book (not all liberals are right all the time, you know)....hence my comparison of him to Fox News people (who do the EXACT same thing but from the other side of the spectrum).How can a comedian lose credibility on a satirical show? FOX News isn't satire, it's an actual news organization. MSNBC and FOX News is the comparison you're looking for. And yes, I understand both of these news organization have their pundits with their opinion oriented shows, but they also have legit news segments that they don't really show an unbiased point of view. I know that not everyone on MSNBC is Olbermann and not everyone on Fox is Hannity, but I'm just sayin.And I think that when a comedian uses his show as a platform (not all the time, but a LOT of the time) to talk about his personal views about politics time and time again, he should be judged more like a pundit less like a comedian. The problem is, its not pure satire..he isnt playing a character, and the views he puts forth are his own, yes there are jokes mixed in but the base is his own beliefs. He isnt Colbert. And when he plays the "I'm a comedian" card, it seems cowardly because yeah hes a comedian, but that isnt telling the whole truth.
Quote from: Russell Bell on August 26, 2010, 05:27:11 PMQuote from: Javier on August 26, 2010, 05:16:21 PMQuote from: Russell Bell on August 26, 2010, 05:04:01 PMQuote from: Javier on August 26, 2010, 10:36:05 AMJon Stewart can defend his liberal opinions, so it's not like he just randomly pulls out the I'm a comedian card. He does it because people bust his balls for not reporting the news. Sure he can defend them.....but when he only sees things, talks about things, and defends things from a liberal POV, he loses credibility in my book (not all liberals are right all the time, you know)....hence my comparison of him to Fox News people (who do the EXACT same thing but from the other side of the spectrum).How can a comedian lose credibility on a satirical show? FOX News isn't satire, it's an actual news organization. MSNBC and FOX News is the comparison you're looking for. And yes, I understand both of these news organization have their pundits with their opinion oriented shows, but they also have legit news segments that they don't really show an unbiased point of view. I know that not everyone on MSNBC is Olbermann and not everyone on Fox is Hannity, but I'm just sayin.And I think that when a comedian uses his show as a platform (not all the time, but a LOT of the time) to talk about his personal views about politics time and time again, he should be judged more like a pundit less like a comedian. The problem is, its not pure satire..he isnt playing a character, and the views he puts forth are his own, yes there are jokes mixed in but the base is his own beliefs. He isnt Colbert. And when he plays the "I'm a comedian" card, it seems cowardly because yeah hes a comedian, but that isnt telling the whole truth. Like I said, the times he pulls out the I'm a comedian card, it's for an actual legitimate reason. People give him shit for not being fair...uhh seriously people? Comedians have been expressing their political views for years. One side is criticizing how "silly" the other side is while being funny at it and the other side is dissing the fuck out of the other side while being serious about it. Big difference.