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John Stewart owns Fox News. Twice.
Javier:
--- Quote from: Russell Bell on August 26, 2010, 05:04:01 PM ---
--- Quote from: Javier on August 26, 2010, 10:36:05 AM ---Jon Stewart can defend his liberal opinions, so it's not like he just randomly pulls out the I'm a comedian card. He does it because people bust his balls for not reporting the news.
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Sure he can defend them.....but when he only sees things, talks about things, and defends things from a liberal POV, he loses credibility in my book (not all liberals are right all the time, you know)....hence my comparison of him to Fox News people (who do the EXACT same thing but from the other side of the spectrum).
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How can a comedian lose credibility on a satirical show? FOX News isn't satire, it's an actual news organization. MSNBC and FOX News is the comparison you're looking for. And yes, I understand both of these news organization have their pundits with their opinion oriented shows, but they also have legit news segments that they don't really show an unbiased point of view.
Russell Bell:
--- Quote from: Javier on August 26, 2010, 05:16:21 PM ---
--- Quote from: Russell Bell on August 26, 2010, 05:04:01 PM ---
--- Quote from: Javier on August 26, 2010, 10:36:05 AM ---Jon Stewart can defend his liberal opinions, so it's not like he just randomly pulls out the I'm a comedian card. He does it because people bust his balls for not reporting the news.
--- End quote ---
Sure he can defend them.....but when he only sees things, talks about things, and defends things from a liberal POV, he loses credibility in my book (not all liberals are right all the time, you know)....hence my comparison of him to Fox News people (who do the EXACT same thing but from the other side of the spectrum).
--- End quote ---
How can a comedian lose credibility on a satirical show? FOX News isn't satire, it's an actual news organization. MSNBC and FOX News is the comparison you're looking for. And yes, I understand both of these news organization have their pundits with their opinion oriented shows, but they also have legit news segments that they don't really show an unbiased point of view.
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I know that not everyone on MSNBC is Olbermann and not everyone on Fox is Hannity, but I'm just sayin.
And I think that when a comedian uses his show as a platform (not all the time, but a LOT of the time) to talk about his personal views about politics time and time again, he should be judged more like a pundit less like a comedian. The problem is, its not pure satire..he isnt playing a character, and the views he puts forth are his own, yes there are jokes mixed in but the base is his own beliefs. He isnt Colbert. And when he plays the "I'm a comedian" card, it seems cowardly because yeah hes a comedian, but that isnt telling the whole truth.
Javier:
--- Quote from: Russell Bell on August 26, 2010, 05:27:11 PM ---
--- Quote from: Javier on August 26, 2010, 05:16:21 PM ---
--- Quote from: Russell Bell on August 26, 2010, 05:04:01 PM ---
--- Quote from: Javier on August 26, 2010, 10:36:05 AM ---Jon Stewart can defend his liberal opinions, so it's not like he just randomly pulls out the I'm a comedian card. He does it because people bust his balls for not reporting the news.
--- End quote ---
Sure he can defend them.....but when he only sees things, talks about things, and defends things from a liberal POV, he loses credibility in my book (not all liberals are right all the time, you know)....hence my comparison of him to Fox News people (who do the EXACT same thing but from the other side of the spectrum).
--- End quote ---
How can a comedian lose credibility on a satirical show? FOX News isn't satire, it's an actual news organization. MSNBC and FOX News is the comparison you're looking for. And yes, I understand both of these news organization have their pundits with their opinion oriented shows, but they also have legit news segments that they don't really show an unbiased point of view.
--- End quote ---
I know that not everyone on MSNBC is Olbermann and not everyone on Fox is Hannity, but I'm just sayin.
And I think that when a comedian uses his show as a platform (not all the time, but a LOT of the time) to talk about his personal views about politics time and time again, he should be judged more like a pundit less like a comedian. The problem is, its not pure satire..he isnt playing a character, and the views he puts forth are his own, yes there are jokes mixed in but the base is his own beliefs. He isnt Colbert. And when he plays the "I'm a comedian" card, it seems cowardly because yeah hes a comedian, but that isnt telling the whole truth.
--- End quote ---
Like I said, the times he pulls out the I'm a comedian card, it's for an actual legitimate reason. People give him shit for not being fair...uhh seriously people? Comedians have been expressing their political views for years. One side is criticizing how "silly" the other side is while being funny at it and the other side is dissing the fuck out of the other side while being serious about it. Big difference.
Russell Bell:
--- Quote from: Javier on August 26, 2010, 05:51:21 PM ---
--- Quote from: Russell Bell on August 26, 2010, 05:27:11 PM ---
--- Quote from: Javier on August 26, 2010, 05:16:21 PM ---
--- Quote from: Russell Bell on August 26, 2010, 05:04:01 PM ---
--- Quote from: Javier on August 26, 2010, 10:36:05 AM ---Jon Stewart can defend his liberal opinions, so it's not like he just randomly pulls out the I'm a comedian card. He does it because people bust his balls for not reporting the news.
--- End quote ---
Sure he can defend them.....but when he only sees things, talks about things, and defends things from a liberal POV, he loses credibility in my book (not all liberals are right all the time, you know)....hence my comparison of him to Fox News people (who do the EXACT same thing but from the other side of the spectrum).
--- End quote ---
How can a comedian lose credibility on a satirical show? FOX News isn't satire, it's an actual news organization. MSNBC and FOX News is the comparison you're looking for. And yes, I understand both of these news organization have their pundits with their opinion oriented shows, but they also have legit news segments that they don't really show an unbiased point of view.
--- End quote ---
I know that not everyone on MSNBC is Olbermann and not everyone on Fox is Hannity, but I'm just sayin.
And I think that when a comedian uses his show as a platform (not all the time, but a LOT of the time) to talk about his personal views about politics time and time again, he should be judged more like a pundit less like a comedian. The problem is, its not pure satire..he isnt playing a character, and the views he puts forth are his own, yes there are jokes mixed in but the base is his own beliefs. He isnt Colbert. And when he plays the "I'm a comedian" card, it seems cowardly because yeah hes a comedian, but that isnt telling the whole truth.
--- End quote ---
Like I said, the times he pulls out the I'm a comedian card, it's for an actual legitimate reason. People give him shit for not being fair...uhh seriously people? Comedians have been expressing their political views for years. One side is criticizing how "silly" the other side is while being funny at it and the other side is dissing the fuck out of the other side while being serious about it. Big difference.
--- End quote ---
(Keyshaun Johnson voice) "C'mon Man". If you take the politics out of it, and look at the words, jokes, whatever being used, neither side is "silly"....theyre trying to further their sides political agenda. Jim Carrey playing Ace Ventura is "silly". Kids shows are "silly". Ridiculing people, calling them stupid, etc is not "silly". Not that I dont enjoy that, but lets call it what it is.
That's a political trick used by the left for a while, saying the Republicans are "mean", when really they both act that way.
By the way, I actually find him funny sometimes it just gets me when people won't call him what he really is.
Yeah, comedians have been expressing their political views for years, its a huge part of comedy. But this dude is a straight up cheerleader.
Javier:
I guess we can end our convo here....I feel that Fox News is a silly organization, along with all these other extreme cable news channels that find themselves having talking heads talk over each other by offering bullet points debate. I'm sorry but that's fucking silly, as silly as Ace Ventura and Yo Gabba Gabba. And btw, you can easily look up plenty of Jon Stewart videos that make fun of MSNBC, CNN, Democrats, etc. It's not his fault that the popular ones that become viral happen to be the ones where he makes fun of Fox News or Glenn Beck.
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