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Shallow:
--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click on September 04, 2010, 09:58:11 PM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on September 04, 2010, 08:10:42 PM ---
--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click on September 04, 2010, 07:03:00 PM ---If LeBron James played in 1980, he would be considered the greatest thing to ever play a sport.
Same goes for Kobe before you absurd homosexuals start crying.
The game changed, people are more athletic. James's build is BEYOND what was thought possible back then.
Larry Bird is a legend, with "rings" & was caught up in a Laker/Celtic rivalry.
Put him on an insignificant team during the 80's & he wouldn't get such recognition.
Saying LeBron is better is a stretch because people are ignorant & can't put together that the game was completely different in terms of size. Nobody LeBron's build could dribble and pass like LeBron can.
So if you judge it "by the book", you can't even compare the two, it's Bird.
But if you have an open mind & think about it, James.
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That's a crock of shit. Jordan wasn't any more athletic in the 90s than he was in the 80s and no one was calling him better than Bird and Magic in the 80s. And Jordan was never any less of a build than Kobe is now and Kobe s on top the league, just like Jordan would be if he played now. Whether it's Jordan 88 or Jordan 98. And if Larry Bird was on the Celts this and last year instead of Pierce, Kobe never would have gotten his 4th or 5th rings.
Larry was never the most athletic. He was the smartest. Yeah, I get it, LeBron has the build of an outside linebacker, but he wouldn't be any more dominant in the 80s than Jordan was.
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I disagree and will continue to because you cannot provide substancial evidence to prove me wrong. It's not possible to have any, it's a question of faith.
And anyway, this is a question of LeBron or Bird. Bird has shooting, no question at all. But every other category goes to LeBron; driving, passing, handeling, defense, on the break, etc.
& nobody said Jordan was better in the 80's because Jordan didn't have any rings. I don't know who came up with this ring argument, but it's driving me crazy lol. It's like people are completely blind to the thought, regardless if Magic & Bird were the best players, they EASILY had the best support in the entire league. Magic had two future HOFers; as did Bird lol.
You used it for Peyton, it applies here. Hypothetically speaking, lets say LeBron won last year. I think it's basically safe to say that it would have been one of the worst overall teams to win a Final ever.
I can't really speak for before the 90's besides the 80's Lakers/Celtics, but if they won last year they easily would have been the worst overall team to win a Final in the past twenty years lol.
People need to get past the rings & realize this guy is averaging like 30, 7 & 7 in his career; obviously one of the greatest players.
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You're really helping me out with the Jordan argument, that I was making. Debate my point with my point. Good move. Jordan was as good in the mid 80s as he was in the mid 90s, and mid 90s Jordan is as good as current Kobe. Current Kobe runs the league, so if 90s Jordan could run the league, then so could 80s Jordan, and 80s Jordan was as good as Bird, not better. So by simple deductive mathematical logic, 80s Bird would run the league in today's game.
Is that too complicated for you?
The Celts that won rings were great teams. But the rookie year for Bird had a terrible Celtics team that was at the bottom of the league the year before he got there. As a rookie he lead them from 29 wins to 61 wins and from no playoffs for a few years to the Eastern Conference Finals. No Parrish, no McHale, no Ainge, no shit. As a fucking rookie.
And don't even bother comparing the NFL to the NBA. Peyton is only one small aspect of an NFL team. So much of an NFL win and loss has nothing to do with a QB. The leader of an NBA team is on the court for every crucial moment and everything goes through him. Cleveland had Boston and Lebron gave up. I don't know or care what was going on at home. They needed him to step up and take charge and he stepped back. Larry Bird and the Cavs win that series (even if Larry walked in on Shaq and Ilgauskas DPing his mom). There is something to be said for grit. And I was a huge Lebron over Kobe supporter until I saw Lebron quit.
I don't care about rings or what happens in the end. I watch people play. And I'm not saying it's an obvious choice or anything, but from what I've seen with my own eyes, The Legend trumps the self proclaimed King.
Tha A:
--- Quote from: Shallow on September 05, 2010, 06:49:03 AM ---
--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click on September 04, 2010, 09:58:11 PM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on September 04, 2010, 08:10:42 PM ---
--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click on September 04, 2010, 07:03:00 PM ---If LeBron James played in 1980, he would be considered the greatest thing to ever play a sport.
Same goes for Kobe before you absurd homosexuals start crying.
The game changed, people are more athletic. James's build is BEYOND what was thought possible back then.
Larry Bird is a legend, with "rings" & was caught up in a Laker/Celtic rivalry.
Put him on an insignificant team during the 80's & he wouldn't get such recognition.
Saying LeBron is better is a stretch because people are ignorant & can't put together that the game was completely different in terms of size. Nobody LeBron's build could dribble and pass like LeBron can.
So if you judge it "by the book", you can't even compare the two, it's Bird.
But if you have an open mind & think about it, James.
--- End quote ---
That's a crock of shit. Jordan wasn't any more athletic in the 90s than he was in the 80s and no one was calling him better than Bird and Magic in the 80s. And Jordan was never any less of a build than Kobe is now and Kobe s on top the league, just like Jordan would be if he played now. Whether it's Jordan 88 or Jordan 98. And if Larry Bird was on the Celts this and last year instead of Pierce, Kobe never would have gotten his 4th or 5th rings.
Larry was never the most athletic. He was the smartest. Yeah, I get it, LeBron has the build of an outside linebacker, but he wouldn't be any more dominant in the 80s than Jordan was.
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I disagree and will continue to because you cannot provide substancial evidence to prove me wrong. It's not possible to have any, it's a question of faith.
And anyway, this is a question of LeBron or Bird. Bird has shooting, no question at all. But every other category goes to LeBron; driving, passing, handeling, defense, on the break, etc.
& nobody said Jordan was better in the 80's because Jordan didn't have any rings. I don't know who came up with this ring argument, but it's driving me crazy lol. It's like people are completely blind to the thought, regardless if Magic & Bird were the best players, they EASILY had the best support in the entire league. Magic had two future HOFers; as did Bird lol.
You used it for Peyton, it applies here. Hypothetically speaking, lets say LeBron won last year. I think it's basically safe to say that it would have been one of the worst overall teams to win a Final ever.
I can't really speak for before the 90's besides the 80's Lakers/Celtics, but if they won last year they easily would have been the worst overall team to win a Final in the past twenty years lol.
People need to get past the rings & realize this guy is averaging like 30, 7 & 7 in his career; obviously one of the greatest players.
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You're really helping me out with the Jordan argument, that I was making. Debate my point with my point. Good move. Jordan was as good in the mid 80s as he was in the mid 90s, and mid 90s Jordan is as good as current Kobe. Current Kobe runs the league, so if 90s Jordan could run the league, then so could 80s Jordan, and 80s Jordan was as good as Bird, not better. So by simple deductive mathematical logic, 80s Bird would run the league in today's game.
Is that too complicated for you?
The Celts that won rings were great teams. But the rookie year for Bird had a terrible Celtics team that was at the bottom of the league the year before he got there. As a rookie he lead them from 29 wins to 61 wins and from no playoffs for a few years to the Eastern Conference Finals. No Parrish, no McHale, no Ainge, no shit. As a fucking rookie.
And don't even bother comparing the NFL to the NBA. Peyton is only one small aspect of an NFL team. So much of an NFL win and loss has nothing to do with a QB. The leader of an NBA team is on the court for every crucial moment and everything goes through him. Cleveland had Boston and Lebron gave up. I don't know or care what was going on at home. They needed him to step up and take charge and he stepped back. Larry Bird and the Cavs win that series (even if Larry walked in on Shaq and Ilgauskas DPing his mom). There is something to be said for grit. And I was a huge Lebron over Kobe supporter until I saw Lebron quit.
I don't care about rings or what happens in the end. I watch people play. And I'm not saying it's an obvious choice or anything, but from what I've seen with my own eyes, The Legend trumps the self proclaimed King.
--- End quote ---
on point
I ain't trying to start some shit with chamilitary click over this but people gotta stop acting like there weren't great athletes in 80's nba. bird faced some of the best perimeter defenders ever like rodman, scottie and cooper, and they had a really tough time guarding bird mostly due to his smartness and "shooting ability the only little insignificant thing he got over lebron". the league had great competition like the bad boys who played really hard ball and the rules could damage lebron's driving a lot. lebron IS the best physical specimen(with his mobility and ballhandling abilities) in the nba no matter what year he played and that don't mean he would've been the best thing ever if he played on the 80's, he would've been the same as now, not saying that's not great.
Tha A:
--- Quote from: wcsoldier on September 05, 2010, 02:50:42 AM ---I'm always amazed how B-Ball fans are obssesed with comparing players ...
Did Bird and Bron play in the same era ? no , did they matchup against each other ? no ... end of discussion
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try sports fans. but yeah it's always hard to compare players from different eras.
D-Nice:
Yeah that is a tough comparison. The only player skill and build wise that even comes close to Lebron back then was Len Bias (R.I.P.) and he was not even close to being as good a passer as Lebron
Chamillitary Click:
--- Quote from: Tha A on September 05, 2010, 07:28:51 AM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on September 05, 2010, 06:49:03 AM ---
--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click on September 04, 2010, 09:58:11 PM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on September 04, 2010, 08:10:42 PM ---
--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click on September 04, 2010, 07:03:00 PM ---If LeBron James played in 1980, he would be considered the greatest thing to ever play a sport.
Same goes for Kobe before you absurd homosexuals start crying.
The game changed, people are more athletic. James's build is BEYOND what was thought possible back then.
Larry Bird is a legend, with "rings" & was caught up in a Laker/Celtic rivalry.
Put him on an insignificant team during the 80's & he wouldn't get such recognition.
Saying LeBron is better is a stretch because people are ignorant & can't put together that the game was completely different in terms of size. Nobody LeBron's build could dribble and pass like LeBron can.
So if you judge it "by the book", you can't even compare the two, it's Bird.
But if you have an open mind & think about it, James.
--- End quote ---
That's a crock of shit. Jordan wasn't any more athletic in the 90s than he was in the 80s and no one was calling him better than Bird and Magic in the 80s. And Jordan was never any less of a build than Kobe is now and Kobe s on top the league, just like Jordan would be if he played now. Whether it's Jordan 88 or Jordan 98. And if Larry Bird was on the Celts this and last year instead of Pierce, Kobe never would have gotten his 4th or 5th rings.
Larry was never the most athletic. He was the smartest. Yeah, I get it, LeBron has the build of an outside linebacker, but he wouldn't be any more dominant in the 80s than Jordan was.
--- End quote ---
I disagree and will continue to because you cannot provide substancial evidence to prove me wrong. It's not possible to have any, it's a question of faith.
And anyway, this is a question of LeBron or Bird. Bird has shooting, no question at all. But every other category goes to LeBron; driving, passing, handeling, defense, on the break, etc.
& nobody said Jordan was better in the 80's because Jordan didn't have any rings. I don't know who came up with this ring argument, but it's driving me crazy lol. It's like people are completely blind to the thought, regardless if Magic & Bird were the best players, they EASILY had the best support in the entire league. Magic had two future HOFers; as did Bird lol.
You used it for Peyton, it applies here. Hypothetically speaking, lets say LeBron won last year. I think it's basically safe to say that it would have been one of the worst overall teams to win a Final ever.
I can't really speak for before the 90's besides the 80's Lakers/Celtics, but if they won last year they easily would have been the worst overall team to win a Final in the past twenty years lol.
People need to get past the rings & realize this guy is averaging like 30, 7 & 7 in his career; obviously one of the greatest players.
--- End quote ---
You're really helping me out with the Jordan argument, that I was making. Debate my point with my point. Good move. Jordan was as good in the mid 80s as he was in the mid 90s, and mid 90s Jordan is as good as current Kobe. Current Kobe runs the league, so if 90s Jordan could run the league, then so could 80s Jordan, and 80s Jordan was as good as Bird, not better. So by simple deductive mathematical logic, 80s Bird would run the league in today's game.
Is that too complicated for you?
The Celts that won rings were great teams. But the rookie year for Bird had a terrible Celtics team that was at the bottom of the league the year before he got there. As a rookie he lead them from 29 wins to 61 wins and from no playoffs for a few years to the Eastern Conference Finals. No Parrish, no McHale, no Ainge, no shit. As a fucking rookie.
And don't even bother comparing the NFL to the NBA. Peyton is only one small aspect of an NFL team. So much of an NFL win and loss has nothing to do with a QB. The leader of an NBA team is on the court for every crucial moment and everything goes through him. Cleveland had Boston and Lebron gave up. I don't know or care what was going on at home. They needed him to step up and take charge and he stepped back. Larry Bird and the Cavs win that series (even if Larry walked in on Shaq and Ilgauskas DPing his mom). There is something to be said for grit. And I was a huge Lebron over Kobe supporter until I saw Lebron quit.
I don't care about rings or what happens in the end. I watch people play. And I'm not saying it's an obvious choice or anything, but from what I've seen with my own eyes, The Legend trumps the self proclaimed King.
--- End quote ---
on point
I ain't trying to start some shit with chamilitary click over this but people gotta stop acting like there weren't great athletes in 80's nba. bird faced some of the best perimeter defenders ever like rodman, scottie and cooper, and they had a really tough time guarding bird mostly due to his smartness and "shooting ability the only little insignificant thing he got over lebron". the league had great competition like the bad boys who played really hard ball and the rules could damage lebron's driving a lot. lebron IS the best physical specimen(with his mobility and ballhandling abilities) in the nba no matter what year he played and that don't mean he would've been the best thing ever if he played on the 80's, he would've been the same as now, not saying that's not great.
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Don't worry, fam. No disrespect at all, just a debate.
But the thing with Bird is that they were defending his shooting, they were probably hoping he pump faked & tried to drive. If you jump on a LeBron pump fake, you might as well just give him two points or at least call it a given he is going to the line.
Players are more atheltic today than they were in the 80's, it's basically a fact. Not saying there weren't any, but LeBron wouldn't have to face one every night; just occasionally.
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