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IFB Flood:

--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click on September 06, 2010, 03:21:57 PM ---
--- Quote from: IFB Flood on September 06, 2010, 02:58:12 PM ---Don't make me laugh. LeBron don't comes close to Bird's greatness.

I could do this shit for every player right now that people claim are better than some legends just because they didn't watch them play. Kids these days be killing me.

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That's about all I had to read.

"Greatness" & "legacy" have ZERO to do with being a better basketball player. I know what I'm about to say doesn't compare because he isn't great, but Robert Horry & Derek Fisher earned the title of "clutch" for hitting big shots in Playoff/Finals games. They recieve a certain level of "greatness" in the post-season; but FUCK what ESPN calls you in terms of "greatness", I'd take Steve Nash or Chris Paul over Derek Fisher even though they don't have the same level of "clutch" & "greatness" & "legacy".

& based on what you said after, you're clearly an older fella, who is caught up in this "When I was a youngster, I was watching the best. Fuck these new school kids thinking they can be compared to 'legends'". It's human nature to be in denial that better things have come & the new school is taking over. Just like if Kobe wins two more rings, older Lakers fans are still gunna call Magic the greatest Laker, because they were in the prime of their lives when Magic was in the prime of his career.

Same thing is going to go for today's new school; when we're older we're going to say "Fuck outta here, kiddo; Jordan & Kobe & Shaq & LeBron were the greatest".

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I ain't talking about legacy or career wise right here now, of course that puts some players above others, it's you achieve that counts not what you could, but right now I'm comparing both as players.

I don't give a shit about what era they played on, I saw the best teams and players from the 80's, 90's and 2000's playing. I can judge it clearly without being caught in any bullshit, Bird was a better player then LeBron is right now, not saying he can't surpass Bird as a player but right now he has not. Bird would school LeBron if they faced in the 80's with equal good teams, Bird could do everything on a basketball court and even said that scoring is overrated. He was a sharp shooter, creating his own shot or coming off a screen, he was deadly, he had great passing ability and was a great facilitator, he was clever like he always knew where the ball was gonna be so he was a great rebounder and could defend mostly because of that, he was a fighter inside and could drive too. People that say he couldn't defend and was slow are people that never seen him play and base that on cliches, I saw Bird stopping 3-on-1 fast breaks, of course he was not your great perimeter defender but with his cleverness and wit he could defend very well, Bron would have trouble against him with some 80's rules because Bird would playing him rough and would trouble him with anticipation. Bird was one of the toughest perimeter players to guard man, only with a few above him. You had to be on your toes or else he would score it in your face, he could also dish too well or drive but really his shooting and creating shots ability from wherever he wanted too was scary.

You say fuck ESPN but I'm the one who should say that because saying the 80's had no athletes and if the players changed generations are some ESPN analyst type bullshit to say. I saw both generations and both players, I think I can compare the two better than someone who didn't. Go watch some games man before you launch them cliches man seriously.

To me Kobe is already the best Laker and I consider Tim Duncan the greatest PF ever, so fuck that new school, old school bullshit.

tempo2:
come on is this really a debate? when lebron wins multiple titles then we can start talking about it, until then i dont see the need to have this argument.

people read to much into athletism in basketball to be quite honest, if the game is played "the correct way" then astonishing athletic ability is not needed. hence why bird was the master of the "thinking" mans game

tempo2:
for example was kobe best when he was the most athletic? or was he the best when he devloped a low post, mid range, thinking mans game?

Sccit:
LOL...i can't believe people still debate with Cham on basketball related topics. :grumpy:

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