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bird vs james
Shallow:
--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click on September 07, 2010, 05:51:44 PM ---
I get it, Larry Bird is like the Tupac of the NBA. He's like generically at the top of everyone's list & if you compare his "work" to anyone elses it gets shot down because "nigga it's Tupac!". He's a sacred name that will forever be up there. Ask NIK who he thinks is better, Bird or Kobe. Why is Kobe allowed in that conversation? Because of rings. How did he win those rings? The most dominate big man in the history of the game & then a few years later a stacked ass squad at every position to even the bench.
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For me Kobe passed Lebron this year because of how strong he stood during the playoffs, and Lebron more hurt himself than Kobe beat him. But I'm more than willing to give Lebron time.
In their first 5 or 6 years I wouldn't let Kobe or Lebron in the convo with Bird. In their first 5 years after their first 4 (Bird's college years) I wouldn't let them either, Lebron still has a couple years to change my mind on that. Of course what Larry did in college wit that bum team was remarkable on it's own.
In fact if Larry played today he may be the most protected player in the league. A tall American white guy who can play offense and defense, and lead a team, as good or better than the best. You wouldn't be able to touch him with out 5 fouls.
IFB Flood:
Also, I don't mean to come out swinging at Chamilitary but when you say you'd compare Bird to Dirk, I can see clearly you don't know what the fuck you're talking about my man. Your argument loses credibility after that.
Chamillitary Click:
--- Quote from: IFB Flood on September 08, 2010, 01:38:06 PM ---Also, I don't mean to come out swinging at Chamilitary but when you say you'd compare Bird to Dirk, I can see clearly you don't know what the fuck you're talking about my man. Your argument loses credibility after that.
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First off, I was saying IF Larry Bird played in 2010 he would be nothing more special than Dirk, besides a much better passer.
Career-wise Bird only averages two more PPG, 1 1/2 more Rebounds & 3 more assists (which is alot more); but considering there wasn't nearly as many fouls called, that means there are more missed shots meaning more opprotunity for rebounds in Bird's favor.
& also, don't get it twisted, I never said Dirk = Bird; I said IF (big "if", my man) Bird played in 2010 his numbers would be down.
But why does it seem so crazy to compare the two? Y'all trapped in this "legacy", "rings", "greatness" thing; it's "clearly not knowing what the fuck I'm talking about" because you see Larry Bird as an all-time great, who hit big shots & played against Magic & was in the Finals every year & lead his team; but statistically they are pretty similar. Dirk just has little to no success compared to Larry Bird's greatness.
So I don't know if my argument loses credibility as much as my argument is being proven to me that you guys cannot put this "WELL HE'S AN ALL-TIME GREAT, HE DID GREAT THINGS, HE WON TITLES" thing out of the picture when comparing people.
Shallow:
--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click on September 08, 2010, 05:53:15 PM ---
--- Quote from: IFB Flood on September 08, 2010, 01:38:06 PM ---Also, I don't mean to come out swinging at Chamilitary but when you say you'd compare Bird to Dirk, I can see clearly you don't know what the fuck you're talking about my man. Your argument loses credibility after that.
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First off, I was saying IF Larry Bird played in 2010 he would be nothing more special than Dirk, besides a much better passer.
Career-wise Bird only averages two more PPG, 1 1/2 more Rebounds & 3 more assists (which is alot more); but considering there wasn't nearly as many fouls called, that means there are more missed shots meaning more opprotunity for rebounds in Bird's favor.
& also, don't get it twisted, I never said Dirk = Bird; I said IF (big "if", my man) Bird played in 2010 his numbers would be down.
But why does it seem so crazy to compare the two? Y'all trapped in this "legacy", "rings", "greatness" thing; it's "clearly not knowing what the fuck I'm talking about" because you see Larry Bird as an all-time great, who hit big shots & played against Magic & was in the Finals every year & lead his team; but statistically they are pretty similar. Dirk just has little to no success compared to Larry Bird's greatness.
So I don't know if my argument loses credibility as much as my argument is being proven to me that you guys cannot put this "WELL HE'S AN ALL-TIME GREAT, HE DID GREAT THINGS, HE WON TITLES" thing out of the picture when comparing people.
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Why are you always so hung up on stats? This isn't baseball. First it was with Brady and Manning and now with Bird and fucking Dirk. Last year according to the stats Kyle Orton won the game at the end of week 1 with an 80 yard pass to Stokely. That's what the stat sheet says and only those that saw the game will know different. No NFL-reference or NFL.com play by play will ever say Orton under throws ball to DB, DB can't catch it, and instead tips it up in the air where the unintended receiver from the middle of the field Brandon Stokely was standing, and Stokely caught the tip and ran 60 yards untouched.
FUCK STATS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I watch Larry play and I watch Dirk play. Not the same thing at all.
And fuck you and your stupid "big if". What big if? There's no "if" like there's a chance of it happening. Are you going to build the time machine to back to 1980, grab Larry and put him in today's game? Give me a fucking break.
Get over yourself. The human body doesn't evolve in 30 years, no matter how much you believe in evolution. Jesse Owens ran the 100M in ten flat. The average top level sprinter does the same today. The records aren't breaking because the training is better. It's because the surfaces, shoes, and clocks are better.
Danny fucking Hodge is a 1950s catch-wrestler. At 70 years old he was brought into a BJJ gym and he submitted the fuck out of everyone in there.
Dan Marino from 83 would have won the SB with last year's Vikings and had better numbers than Favre did.
It's not about legends being hailed, or old guys being better than young guys. Some people are just that fucking good, and when you're that fucking good. You're that fucking good. You pluck George Foreman out of 1972, give him a real corner, don't dope his water, and he cleans house in today's heavyweight division, with only Vitale being a real threat. And if today's boxers had to fight a 60s George Chuvalo with 1930s rules they'd all get killed.
And here's the thing; Lebron may end up being one of those guys, but he'll have to get his shit together mentally and not quit when there's still a chance. If he stayed on Cleveland and shit team after shit team meant he never won a ring but he fought like an animal to the end he'd be as good or better than Bird. But Larry Bird wins that fucking game, or dies trying. That's what makes him better right now.
Sccit:
I'm glad that more and more people are finally starting to see what I meant about cham...
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