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Baseball misses Barry Bonds
Shallow:
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--- Quote from: The Come Up Shuffle on September 06, 2010, 05:01:48 PM ---
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--- Quote from: M Dogg on September 06, 2010, 11:14:40 AM ---Barry Bonds... GOAT of his era 8)
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Fuck outta here, GOAT, period. 8)
Homerun king, five tool player; unreal. Shame he didn't get to go out on his own terms & won't be celebrated for being the greatest.
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Ruth >>> Bonds
Let me know when Bonds has the lowest ERA in World Series history lol.
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lol, that's fucked up though.
Different times, but I guess you're right.
Whatever, post Babe, Bonds is GOAT. 8)
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Let me just add, that if it was really a different time then you'd see more homerun beasts that were also Cy Young caliber pitchers. As far as I know there were only ever two pro players that were king hitters and king pitchers. Babe Ruth and Satchel Paige.
Chamillitary Click:
--- Quote from: Shallow on September 09, 2010, 12:57:05 PM ---
--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click on September 06, 2010, 05:05:17 PM ---
--- Quote from: The Come Up Shuffle on September 06, 2010, 05:01:48 PM ---
--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click on September 06, 2010, 03:23:33 PM ---
--- Quote from: M Dogg on September 06, 2010, 11:14:40 AM ---Barry Bonds... GOAT of his era 8)
--- End quote ---
Fuck outta here, GOAT, period. 8)
Homerun king, five tool player; unreal. Shame he didn't get to go out on his own terms & won't be celebrated for being the greatest.
--- End quote ---
Ruth >>> Bonds
Let me know when Bonds has the lowest ERA in World Series history lol.
--- End quote ---
lol, that's fucked up though.
Different times, but I guess you're right.
Whatever, post Babe, Bonds is GOAT. 8)
--- End quote ---
Let me just add, that if it was really a different time then you'd see more homerun beasts that were also Cy Young caliber pitchers. As far as I know there were only ever two pro players that were king hitters and king pitchers. Babe Ruth and Satchel Paige.
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In today's game, once you hit High School, if you're a dominating, college-level pitcher, you'll never bat; it's almost an unwritten rule to protect you.
I mean, I suppose you could find a product like that out of DR or PR, but no kid in the states will get exploited like that to be the best at both.
Shallow:
--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click on September 09, 2010, 02:04:49 PM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on September 09, 2010, 12:57:05 PM ---
--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click on September 06, 2010, 05:05:17 PM ---
--- Quote from: The Come Up Shuffle on September 06, 2010, 05:01:48 PM ---
--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click on September 06, 2010, 03:23:33 PM ---
--- Quote from: M Dogg on September 06, 2010, 11:14:40 AM ---Barry Bonds... GOAT of his era 8)
--- End quote ---
Fuck outta here, GOAT, period. 8)
Homerun king, five tool player; unreal. Shame he didn't get to go out on his own terms & won't be celebrated for being the greatest.
--- End quote ---
Ruth >>> Bonds
Let me know when Bonds has the lowest ERA in World Series history lol.
--- End quote ---
lol, that's fucked up though.
Different times, but I guess you're right.
Whatever, post Babe, Bonds is GOAT. 8)
--- End quote ---
Let me just add, that if it was really a different time then you'd see more homerun beasts that were also Cy Young caliber pitchers. As far as I know there were only ever two pro players that were king hitters and king pitchers. Babe Ruth and Satchel Paige.
--- End quote ---
In today's game, once you hit High School, if you're a dominating, college-level pitcher, you'll never bat; it's almost an unwritten rule to protect you.
I mean, I suppose you could find a product like that out of DR or PR, but no kid in the states will get exploited like that to be the best at both.
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Neither was Ruth. He came up a pitcher. A star pitcher at a very young age. Pitchers would bat like they do in the NL. They saw him hit and suggested he should hit more. The first year they transitioned him. In 1918 Ruth was 13-7 for a 2.22 ERA and 18 completes. That year he also lead the league in HRs despite only batting about half the ABs. So they said. If a guy can lead the league in HRs with half the at bats, let's see what he can do with a full AB. He tripled his HR output. The year after that he set the record.
Babe Ruth is not a product of his era. He is a beast of talent that was so good it wouldn't matter where he played. The 20s, the 70s, today, or a 100 years from now. That's why in all the years of baseball there haven't been any other flukes since Babe Ruth the amazing pitcher was allowed to bat more.
Javier:
Great pitchers are "babied" since HS, especially if they're signed by a ML team. There are always cases in every draft where a player is looked at X amount of teams as a pitcher, and Y amount of teams as a hitter. And it's worse if you just start off as a batter, because unless there is 18+inning game, that player will never get to pitch in a professional game. And pitchers, no matter how good of a hitter they seem to be a at a young age will never be told by a coach/manager that he should hit more.
Shallow:
--- Quote from: Javier on September 10, 2010, 07:31:02 AM ---Great pitchers are "babied" since HS, especially if they're signed by a ML team. There are always cases in every draft where a player is looked at X amount of teams as a pitcher, and Y amount of teams as a hitter. And it's worse if you just start off as a batter, because unless there is 18+inning game, that player will never get to pitch in a professional game. And pitchers, no matter how good of a hitter they seem to be a at a young age will never be told by a coach/manager that he should hit more.
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You show me a pitcher in practice that can hit 460 foot bombs and told to stay pitching and forget batting and I'll agree with you. Where are all the other pitchers from Ruth's era that became full time hitters? Show me them. People make it seem like every 5th pitcher was becoming a batter after his 5th year and Ruth just happened to be the one that became good at it.
The truth is that 1918 Ruth is the most valuable player in MLB history and it's not even close.
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