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M Dogg™:
--- Quote from: NIKCC on August 23, 2012, 12:49:24 PM ---
--- Quote from: M Dogg on August 23, 2012, 12:37:56 PM --- Maybe one day we'll ask if Durant is better than LeBron, maybe in 3 years when LeBron is 30 and Durant is hitting his prime. But that day is NOT today
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wrong...that day is today. it's a legit argument of 2 superstars on the same level. a true individual rivalry. neither is head-and-shoulders above the other one. durant and lebron are in the same class, and durant, imo, is the better player. u need 2 stop actin like lebron has reached that untouchable GOAT status, cuz he hasnt. yes, he won a ring...but he was also down 2-1 to the pacers and 3-2 to the celtics. he didnt run away with the title, and he hasnt done ANYTHING yet to place him in a class above durant. if he wins the next 2 titles, that will be the seperation. as of now, it's lebron-durant, durant-lebron....thats all there is to it.
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Who said anything about GOAT statues? I'm saying in 2012, LeBron proved himself the best player in the world. You are the only one in America saying Durant, and because you are saying this you want people to recognize it as a legitimate challenge, dogg you ain't that important. There was someone in Orlando, FL in 1996 saying Shaq was the most dominate player in the NBA, and therefore he was the best. But by summer of 1996, the majority of people agreed that Michael Jordan was the best player of that year. There was someone in Chicago in 1987 that say, Michael Jordan is the best player in the NBA, but after winning and NBA title and MVP award everyone that summer said Magic Johnson. In 2009, someone in Ohio claimed up and down that LeBron was the best player in the NBA, but by the summer everyone agreed it was Kobe Bryant. That is the way it is, that's the way it will always be. You are now that person who says Kevin Durant is the best player in the NBA, when everyone else says it's LeBron. That's just the way it is.
Look on the bright side, in 2-3 years, when Dwight Howard wins LA a title with Kobe retired, we can agree Howard as the best player in the NBA. We can rejoice at LeBron's decline together, and we can forget you ever ranked Durant ahead of Howard and it'll be like 2006-now when we actually got along. I mean think of it, who ever thought M Dogg and Now I Know could get along. It was a golden age for DubCC.
Sccit:
--- Quote from: Teddy Roosevelt on August 23, 2012, 02:16:54 PM ---
--- Quote from: NIKCC on August 23, 2012, 02:08:30 PM ---
--- Quote from: Teddy Roosevelt on August 23, 2012, 01:58:26 PM ---
--- Quote from: M Dogg on August 23, 2012, 12:37:56 PM ---When Michael played, at first there was questions of who was the best, was it Jordan, was it Magic, later was it Barkley. Eventually Michael silenced them all. Later when Kobe played, there were questions. What is Vinsanity, was it AI, was it Shaq, later was it LeBron. Eventually Kobe silenced them all. I think LeBron has reached that. With LeBron it was, who's better Kobe or LeBron. Now that Kobe's on the decline LeBron has taken that top spot. Maybe one day we'll ask if Durant is better than LeBron, maybe in 3 years when LeBron is 30 and Durant is hitting his prime. But that day is NOT today. LeBron ended everything the way all players do, in a 7 game series going against the best. Jordan beat Magic in 5 games and no one questioned if he was the best of that era anymore. When Barkley challenged, he beat him too. Later Kobe played out of his mind, but he never got that ring without Shaq. But everyone called him the best like they did Jordan, but in 2009 Kobe put an end to all talks and proved it. In 2010 the Lakers beat the Celtics and Kobe played out of his mind in that series. The question was answered, how can LeBron even be close when he can't lead a team to the Finals well Kobe is winning Finals. This year LeBron lead his team to victory. Durant in the series looked good, but LeBron looked dominate. It was that 5 games that I said, I can't deny it anymore, right now, in 2012, LeBron James best basketball player in the world. And until someone comes and knocks him off from that, he'll continue to be. Just like Kobe was until LeBron proved it, or Jordan was until he retired, or Magic was until Michael knocked him off. That's just the way it is.
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100% truth.
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so u think lebron is head-and-shoulders above durant? :laugh:
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It's close, but LeBron is clearly better.
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if it's close, he cant be "clearly" better...and if he was "clearly" better, he wouldnt average 13 points to durant's 20 in this years olympics. anyone who thinks an argument cant be made for either player is either a huge fan of one or the other, or is simply not watching them.
M Dogg™:
--- Quote from: NIKCC on August 23, 2012, 02:20:45 PM ---
--- Quote from: Teddy Roosevelt on August 23, 2012, 02:16:54 PM ---
--- Quote from: NIKCC on August 23, 2012, 02:08:30 PM ---
--- Quote from: Teddy Roosevelt on August 23, 2012, 01:58:26 PM ---
--- Quote from: M Dogg on August 23, 2012, 12:37:56 PM ---When Michael played, at first there was questions of who was the best, was it Jordan, was it Magic, later was it Barkley. Eventually Michael silenced them all. Later when Kobe played, there were questions. What is Vinsanity, was it AI, was it Shaq, later was it LeBron. Eventually Kobe silenced them all. I think LeBron has reached that. With LeBron it was, who's better Kobe or LeBron. Now that Kobe's on the decline LeBron has taken that top spot. Maybe one day we'll ask if Durant is better than LeBron, maybe in 3 years when LeBron is 30 and Durant is hitting his prime. But that day is NOT today. LeBron ended everything the way all players do, in a 7 game series going against the best. Jordan beat Magic in 5 games and no one questioned if he was the best of that era anymore. When Barkley challenged, he beat him too. Later Kobe played out of his mind, but he never got that ring without Shaq. But everyone called him the best like they did Jordan, but in 2009 Kobe put an end to all talks and proved it. In 2010 the Lakers beat the Celtics and Kobe played out of his mind in that series. The question was answered, how can LeBron even be close when he can't lead a team to the Finals well Kobe is winning Finals. This year LeBron lead his team to victory. Durant in the series looked good, but LeBron looked dominate. It was that 5 games that I said, I can't deny it anymore, right now, in 2012, LeBron James best basketball player in the world. And until someone comes and knocks him off from that, he'll continue to be. Just like Kobe was until LeBron proved it, or Jordan was until he retired, or Magic was until Michael knocked him off. That's just the way it is.
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100% truth.
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so u think lebron is head-and-shoulders above durant? :laugh:
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It's close, but LeBron is clearly better.
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if it's close, he cant be "clearly" better...and if he was "clearly" better, he wouldnt average 13 points to durant's 20 in this years olympics. anyone who thinks an argument cant be made for either player is either a huge fan of one or the other, or is simply not watching them.
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Sccit, listen, please listen. Look at the Dream Team's stats. You know Barkley "clearly" scored more points than Michael "Fuckin'" Jordan!!! It wasn't even close. Please tell me in 1992, that Charles Barkley was better than Michael Jordan. Please I'm begging you, please tell that. If you say Charles Barkley was better than Michael Jordan in 1992, then I will drop this whole thing and I will agree with you. All you have to do is say in 1992, Charles Barkley was better than Michael Jordan. And well we are at in, that Scottie Pippen was a better passer than Magic Johnson since Pippen had more assist than Magic. Then I will agree with you.
Sccit:
--- Quote from: M Dogg on August 23, 2012, 02:17:42 PM ---
--- Quote from: NIKCC on August 23, 2012, 12:49:24 PM ---
--- Quote from: M Dogg on August 23, 2012, 12:37:56 PM --- Maybe one day we'll ask if Durant is better than LeBron, maybe in 3 years when LeBron is 30 and Durant is hitting his prime. But that day is NOT today
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wrong...that day is today. it's a legit argument of 2 superstars on the same level. a true individual rivalry. neither is head-and-shoulders above the other one. durant and lebron are in the same class, and durant, imo, is the better player. u need 2 stop actin like lebron has reached that untouchable GOAT status, cuz he hasnt. yes, he won a ring...but he was also down 2-1 to the pacers and 3-2 to the celtics. he didnt run away with the title, and he hasnt done ANYTHING yet to place him in a class above durant. if he wins the next 2 titles, that will be the seperation. as of now, it's lebron-durant, durant-lebron....thats all there is to it.
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Who said anything about GOAT statues? I'm saying in 2012, LeBron proved himself the best player in the world. You are the only one in America saying Durant, and because you are saying this you want people to recognize it as a legitimate challenge, dogg you ain't that important. There was someone in Orlando, FL in 1996 saying Shaq was the most dominate player in the NBA, and therefore he was the best. But by summer of 1996, the majority of people agreed that Michael Jordan was the best player of that year. There was someone in Chicago in 1987 that say, Michael Jordan is the best player in the NBA, but after winning and NBA title and MVP award everyone that summer said Magic Johnson. In 2009, someone in Ohio claimed up and down that LeBron was the best player in the NBA, but by the summer everyone agreed it was Kobe Bryant. That is the way it is, that's the way it will always be. You are now that person who says Kevin Durant is the best player in the NBA, when everyone else says it's LeBron. That's just the way it is.
Look on the bright side, in 2-3 years, when Dwight Howard wins LA a title with Kobe retired, we can agree Howard as the best player in the NBA. We can rejoice at LeBron's decline together, and we can forget you ever ranked Durant ahead of Howard and it'll be like 2006-now when we actually got along. I mean think of it, who ever thought M Dogg and Now I Know could get along. It was a golden age for DubCC.
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LOL...what are u talkin about?
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1212076-2012-nba-finals-kevin-durant-and-thunder-are-better-than-lebron-james-and-heat
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/story/19267728/lebron-or-durant-before-choosing-look-whose-games-improving-most
http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/post/_/id/8021100/durant-better-lebron (a poll of the whole nation, 43% durant, 48% lebron.....yet, i'm "the only one saying durant"....u payin attention?)
and Howard will never be the best.
Hack Wilson - real:
Dwight and Kobe won't win a title together
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