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Sccit:
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--- Quote from: NIKCC on August 27, 2012, 12:32:46 PM ---
--- Quote from: Meho on August 27, 2012, 08:39:59 AM ---M Dogg is spitting pure knowledge. Props
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only thing i disagree with is that lebron, after one ring, is in the same class as magic, bird, mj, etc....lets not forget, this is the same lebron who choked and let his team down countless times. so for that 1 ring, theres about 4-5 failures and epic chokejobs to go along with it. it'll take more than 1 ring to erase all those meltdowns.
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With the exception of MJ, it happens to the best.
http://www.youtube.com/v/YQ1bd2g3p1Y?version=3&hl=en_US&rel=0
With players in LeBron's level, it seems to happen more because they depend on their teammates to make plays as well. LeBron is a different kind of player. Once you realize you can't compare him to MJ or Kobe, you'll realize him for what he is. He's the most physically dominating player in the history of the game, and someone who "makes the right play." And for years, "making the right play" cost him, it cost him big. The one area that troubles me with LeBron is that it sometimes seemed like he quit. When his back was against the wall, he quit. But he was also younger than everyone else doing what he was doing. He was no developed mentally for it, and I almost felt skipping college would damage his career to the point that he may never win a ring. Skipping college as so hurtful to LeBron that his first 5-6 years he was a man child on the court expecting to play like a man. By 2008/2009 when people expected him to deliver, he didn't know how. And I thought he'd never learn.
Some players need college, and a talent like LeBron needed college. The NBA is a produce now league, and had LeBron went to college he'd have had time to grow him game, he'd have had a coach like Coach K who'd have found his strengths and make that who he is. I feel like Mike Brown right now is barely learning how to coach in the NBA, and he's been the head coach of LeBron for 7 years. LeBron's worst mistake is not going to college. A player like KG is different, you know their game, he knows his game, same with Kobe, or Tracy McGrady, or Tyson Chandler, or Dwight Howard. LeBron didn't know his game yet, everyone just knew he was big, he was fast and he was strong. He's a different animal, but the same beast as everyone else. The problem was, no one knew how to coach him, at least until he got to Pat Riley's system. Eric Spoelstra is a Pat Riley disciple, and Riley is calling the shots in Miami. Do you think that LeBron finally put it all together this year on his own? No, he's in Pat Riley's house and Riley coached Magic, he coached Ewing, Shaq, Wade. Riley knows what he is doing and he can get the best out of talent. LeBron is in the best place for him. And sadly, this will get him a few more NBA titles, but I don't see more than 4. At least not with the Heat built as is, as Wade is on the down hill slide of his career, and Bosh is always rumored to be traded. Still, it will be a fun ride.
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Magic has more championships than he does chokejobs...if he had 5 chokejobs and 1 ring, i would also place him in the same category as lebron currently is.
Sccit:
--- Quote from: M Dogg on August 27, 2012, 12:51:53 PM ---He's the most physically dominating player in the history of the game
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*cough* Shaq *cough*
PLANT:
Is it fair to say LeBron went much further with shitty teams than Kobe did when he didnt have a supporting cast?
Sccit:
^nope...those LeBron teams were always amongst the best and the league and sometimes even picked to win it all. the Kobe teams with Smuh-Luke-Kwame werent even expected 2 make the playoffs. The difference is that LeBron failed his team, while Kobe's team failed him. pretty much night and day.
Chamillitary Click:
--- Quote from: PLANT on August 27, 2012, 05:43:32 PM ---Is it fair to say LeBron went much further with shitty teams than Kobe did when he didnt have a supporting cast?
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Fair to say? It's a bonafide fact lmao. This nigga above me is saying Smush Parker like Daniel Gibson was an all-star. His teams were the best in the league & picked to win it all because LeBron was on the team.
But in the playoffs, you need a reliable second man to score & he didn't have that. They basically dared his supporting cast to step up & future Hall of Famer Big Z couldn't answer the call.
As for M Dogg speaking on Durant now to Kobe in his prime...Kobe was known to be a ballhog with the teams he beat the Celtics with...imagine how much worse it was when he had no one there? He scored 35 because he was all alone. Did anybody on that team even score close to 15 ppg? Take Westbrook out of the equation, shooting way more shots than KD & controlling the ball & KD could easily put up 35. Despite Westbrook stealing so many shots from him, along with Harden, Durant still managed to lead the league in scoring lol.
I'll give Kobe being better at creating a shot, but Durant just shoots over niggas.
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