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M Dogg™:
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--- Quote from: Hack Wilson 1930 on May 08, 2013, 10:03:09 PM ---
--- Quote from: M Dogg™ on May 08, 2013, 09:47:00 PM ---
--- Quote from: Hack Wilson 1930 on May 08, 2013, 08:30:59 PM ---
--- Quote from: M Dogg™ on May 08, 2013, 08:15:53 PM ---
--- Quote from: Hack Wilson 1930 on May 08, 2013, 07:45:16 PM ---Kobe has also played 40 more playoff games than MJ which is half a season lol
and no Kobe might not even make it 2 years with this injury he has
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Jordan ain't even on the list. So that 40 games really don't MN much. And if his injury does effect him, I can see him a shooting more. Watch out Ray Allen.
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jordan missed an entire playoff season in his prime due to retiring ::)
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Kobe missed a whole playoff because his teammates were Smush Parker, Kwame Brown and Chris Mims. Point is?
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Kobe didn't miss shit that year and you know it. He wasn't good enough to win that that team while Lebron took teams of lesser talent to the NBA finals
now anyways Jordan still has a better 3 point shooting % than Kobe in the playoffs and several hundred more points in 41 less games so we know who the better player is.
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kobe has better range than jordan and it's not even close, duno why u'd feel the need 2 argue that..
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That's true, Kobe loves those 40 foot jumpers, and he hits them all the time.
Sccit:
--- Quote from: M Dogg™ on May 08, 2013, 10:46:44 PM ---
--- Quote from: Hack Wilson 1930 on May 08, 2013, 10:03:09 PM ---
--- Quote from: M Dogg™ on May 08, 2013, 09:47:00 PM ---
--- Quote from: Hack Wilson 1930 on May 08, 2013, 08:30:59 PM ---
--- Quote from: M Dogg™ on May 08, 2013, 08:15:53 PM ---
--- Quote from: Hack Wilson 1930 on May 08, 2013, 07:45:16 PM ---Kobe has also played 40 more playoff games than MJ which is half a season lol
and no Kobe might not even make it 2 years with this injury he has
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Jordan ain't even on the list. So that 40 games really don't MN much. And if his injury does effect him, I can see him a shooting more. Watch out Ray Allen.
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jordan missed an entire playoff season in his prime due to retiring ::)
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Kobe missed a whole playoff because his teammates were Smush Parker, Kwame Brown and Chris Mims. Point is?
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Kobe didn't miss shit that year and you know it. He wasn't good enough to win that that team while Lebron took teams of lesser talent to the NBA finals
now anyways Jordan still has a better 3 point shooting % than Kobe in the playoffs and several hundred more points in 41 less games so we know who the better player is.
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That season, Kobe played 66 out of 82 games, the Lakers were 2-14 in the games Kobe missed and it was the only season in Kobe's career in which the Lakers missed the playoffs. And he was a better 3 point shooter than MJ. MJ just didn't take as many because he only shot when he's wide open. I'd say MJ had a way better shot selection, because he generally drove to the lane to get the And 1 instead of shooting the three. MJ was a smarter player, but Kobe had the better shot.
--- Quote from: NIKCC on May 08, 2013, 10:36:44 PM ---
--- Quote from: M Dogg™ on May 08, 2013, 01:54:49 PM ---
--- Quote from: NIKCC on May 08, 2013, 12:45:48 PM ---
--- Quote from: M Dogg™ on May 08, 2013, 10:48:51 AM ---
--- Quote from: NIKCC on May 07, 2013, 10:12:59 PM ---
--- Quote from: Hack Wilson 1930 on May 07, 2013, 07:28:35 PM ---LOL Lebron James averages 27 PPG without having to take nearly as many shots as ball hogs like Melo and Kobe
you gotta stop your huge anti Lebron bias...dude is gonna win another 2 or 3 MVP's in the next 5 years so he ain't going nowhere.
also a lot of Kobe's records will soon be owned by Lebron :D
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once again, proving my point without even realizing...lebron gets to shoot less shots because he has complimentary players who can create for themselves from top-to-bottom. then the shots he does take are much easier and far less contested than a kobe or a melo, cuz defenses cant double off of wade, chalmers, ray allen, battier, mike miller, etc without getting a three nailed on their ass.....so yea, try to follow me, and quit proving my point by tryin hard to make ur own LOL
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You know you sound completely clueless right now, or just trolling. You know what, I'm going with trolling.
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I'm the one providing points and u the one with nothing to say,. Looks to me like ur the one trollin. Either that or ur just brainwashed to a t.
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Straight up, from 2012 to 2013, LeBron James is the best player in the world. In 2012 the Heat won the title, LeBron was clearly the best player. In 2012, Team USA won the gold medal, LeBron was clearly the best player on the teams. In 2013 the Heat have been the best player, LeBron has clearly been the best player.
You say it's the team, well I have news for you, LeBron was putting up great stats when his teammates were Mo Williams and Antwan Jamison. LeBron is a stats monster, and in 2010 I'd argue Kobe was still better than LeBron. Why? Because Kobe knew how to win and Kobe knew how to win. But 3 years later LeBron has figured out how to win, Kobe is older and slower and injured and LeBron is a BEAST. There is no other way to put it.
LeBron shots for a higher average, only scores one point less than Kobe, has more rebounds and more assist. LeBron is in his absolute PRIME. He is that much better than Durant, Durant will improve, he's only 24. But LeBron in 2013 is better. LeBron shots less because he can get to the basket. LeBron shots less because he needs less shots to score points. LeBron shots less because he can also pass and pass well. LeBron shots less because he has aging talent around him so he needs to get the ball in the basket the first time. In 2013 LeBron is the best basketball player in the world. Why is that so difficult for you to understand? Are you so caught in this LeBron hate that you can't bring yourself to admit it. That's okay, but you are wrong.
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thats fine and all, but ur completely missing my point and not even addressing it whatsoever..
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Your point made no sense. Your point was that LeBron had a better team around him so he has to shoot less. The problem is, when LeBron shoots, he makes the shot. This means he has a better FG%, because he still has to make the shot. You point is actually a very weak point and it's almost insulting to anyone who knows basketball. If you ask anyone, they want a player with a high FG%, because that means when they shoot the ball, it goes in the basket. Hence the name basketball. When you miss a shot, you just hope that one of your 7 footers or the crazy SF crashes the lane for an offensive rebound. And offensive rebounds are harder to get than defensive rebounds. So more shots for a less percentage is almost the same as a turnover.
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my point was that lebron is made to look head and shoulders above the rest because he plays with a team that allows him the luxury of falling back. just watch the games. he can disappear for stretches and the heat still beast. melo, kobe, durant, etc. do not have this luxury...it's a great point and u still haven't refuted it. whats insulting is that u have difficulty understanding this point, and it cant be because of ur education, considering ur a college graduate. yes, when he shoots shots, he makes them....which brings me back to my point- HE DOES NOT HAVE TO BE A VOLUME SHOOTER FOR THE TEAM TO WIN. he only takes shots which he is almost positive he will make, because thats all the heat need from him. when u have ray allen, shane battier, chris bosh, dwyane wade all surrounding u, it's hard to double off those players, so he gets MANY MANY easy looks, in comparison to durant, kobe, melo...and when he doesnt have the shot, he can just dish it to one of them for an easy assist...again, if u dont understand this, then dont even reply, cuz ur last reply had absolutely nothing to do with the points i addressed.
Chamillitary Click:
This guy CLEARLY didn't watch the playoffs last year.
Sccit:
--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click on May 09, 2013, 11:12:12 AM ---This guy CLEARLY didn't watch the playoffs last year.
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i watch pretty much every game. lebron is the most complimentary superstar of all time LOL
M Dogg™:
--- Quote from: NIKCC on May 09, 2013, 11:09:23 AM ---
--- Quote from: M Dogg™ on May 08, 2013, 10:46:44 PM ---
--- Quote from: Hack Wilson 1930 on May 08, 2013, 10:03:09 PM ---
--- Quote from: M Dogg™ on May 08, 2013, 09:47:00 PM ---
--- Quote from: Hack Wilson 1930 on May 08, 2013, 08:30:59 PM ---
--- Quote from: M Dogg™ on May 08, 2013, 08:15:53 PM ---
--- Quote from: Hack Wilson 1930 on May 08, 2013, 07:45:16 PM ---Kobe has also played 40 more playoff games than MJ which is half a season lol
and no Kobe might not even make it 2 years with this injury he has
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Jordan ain't even on the list. So that 40 games really don't MN much. And if his injury does effect him, I can see him a shooting more. Watch out Ray Allen.
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jordan missed an entire playoff season in his prime due to retiring ::)
--- End quote ---
Kobe missed a whole playoff because his teammates were Smush Parker, Kwame Brown and Chris Mims. Point is?
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Kobe didn't miss shit that year and you know it. He wasn't good enough to win that that team while Lebron took teams of lesser talent to the NBA finals
now anyways Jordan still has a better 3 point shooting % than Kobe in the playoffs and several hundred more points in 41 less games so we know who the better player is.
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That season, Kobe played 66 out of 82 games, the Lakers were 2-14 in the games Kobe missed and it was the only season in Kobe's career in which the Lakers missed the playoffs. And he was a better 3 point shooter than MJ. MJ just didn't take as many because he only shot when he's wide open. I'd say MJ had a way better shot selection, because he generally drove to the lane to get the And 1 instead of shooting the three. MJ was a smarter player, but Kobe had the better shot.
--- Quote from: NIKCC on May 08, 2013, 10:36:44 PM ---
--- Quote from: M Dogg™ on May 08, 2013, 01:54:49 PM ---
--- Quote from: NIKCC on May 08, 2013, 12:45:48 PM ---
--- Quote from: M Dogg™ on May 08, 2013, 10:48:51 AM ---
--- Quote from: NIKCC on May 07, 2013, 10:12:59 PM ---
--- Quote from: Hack Wilson 1930 on May 07, 2013, 07:28:35 PM ---LOL Lebron James averages 27 PPG without having to take nearly as many shots as ball hogs like Melo and Kobe
you gotta stop your huge anti Lebron bias...dude is gonna win another 2 or 3 MVP's in the next 5 years so he ain't going nowhere.
also a lot of Kobe's records will soon be owned by Lebron :D
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once again, proving my point without even realizing...lebron gets to shoot less shots because he has complimentary players who can create for themselves from top-to-bottom. then the shots he does take are much easier and far less contested than a kobe or a melo, cuz defenses cant double off of wade, chalmers, ray allen, battier, mike miller, etc without getting a three nailed on their ass.....so yea, try to follow me, and quit proving my point by tryin hard to make ur own LOL
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You know you sound completely clueless right now, or just trolling. You know what, I'm going with trolling.
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I'm the one providing points and u the one with nothing to say,. Looks to me like ur the one trollin. Either that or ur just brainwashed to a t.
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Straight up, from 2012 to 2013, LeBron James is the best player in the world. In 2012 the Heat won the title, LeBron was clearly the best player. In 2012, Team USA won the gold medal, LeBron was clearly the best player on the teams. In 2013 the Heat have been the best player, LeBron has clearly been the best player.
You say it's the team, well I have news for you, LeBron was putting up great stats when his teammates were Mo Williams and Antwan Jamison. LeBron is a stats monster, and in 2010 I'd argue Kobe was still better than LeBron. Why? Because Kobe knew how to win and Kobe knew how to win. But 3 years later LeBron has figured out how to win, Kobe is older and slower and injured and LeBron is a BEAST. There is no other way to put it.
LeBron shots for a higher average, only scores one point less than Kobe, has more rebounds and more assist. LeBron is in his absolute PRIME. He is that much better than Durant, Durant will improve, he's only 24. But LeBron in 2013 is better. LeBron shots less because he can get to the basket. LeBron shots less because he needs less shots to score points. LeBron shots less because he can also pass and pass well. LeBron shots less because he has aging talent around him so he needs to get the ball in the basket the first time. In 2013 LeBron is the best basketball player in the world. Why is that so difficult for you to understand? Are you so caught in this LeBron hate that you can't bring yourself to admit it. That's okay, but you are wrong.
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thats fine and all, but ur completely missing my point and not even addressing it whatsoever..
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Your point made no sense. Your point was that LeBron had a better team around him so he has to shoot less. The problem is, when LeBron shoots, he makes the shot. This means he has a better FG%, because he still has to make the shot. You point is actually a very weak point and it's almost insulting to anyone who knows basketball. If you ask anyone, they want a player with a high FG%, because that means when they shoot the ball, it goes in the basket. Hence the name basketball. When you miss a shot, you just hope that one of your 7 footers or the crazy SF crashes the lane for an offensive rebound. And offensive rebounds are harder to get than defensive rebounds. So more shots for a less percentage is almost the same as a turnover.
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my point was that lebron is made to look head and shoulders above the rest because he plays with a team that allows him the luxury of falling back. just watch the games. he can disappear for stretches and the heat still beast. melo, kobe, durant, etc. do not have this luxury...it's a great point and u still haven't refuted it. whats insulting is that u have difficulty understanding this point, and it cant be because of ur education, considering ur a college graduate. yes, when he shoots shots, he makes them....which brings me back to my point- HE DOES NOT HAVE TO BE A VOLUME SHOOTER FOR THE TEAM TO WIN. he only takes shots which he is almost positive he will make, because thats all the heat need from him. when u have ray allen, shane battier, chris bosh, dwyane wade all surrounding u, it's hard to double off those players, so he gets MANY MANY easy looks, in comparison to durant, kobe, melo...and when he doesnt have the shot, he can just dish it to one of them for an easy assist...again, if u dont understand this, then dont even reply, cuz ur last reply had absolutely nothing to do with the points i addressed.
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If you watch LeBron's game, you can see he CREATES shots. He is so big and so fast that he can create easy shots for himself. LeBron doesn't have to be a volume shooter because he makes the shot the first time. There is this thing called creating a shot, LeBron does it, and he does it better than anyone in the world today. And what we found out about LeBron in the past is if he needs to be a volume shooter, he can be and he's good at that too. But is even better at creating his shot and creating other shots.
http://www.youtube.com/v/JlfU-NbnZ2s?hl=en_US&version=3
This is a video of LeBron DOMINATING the Celtics. Notice that most every shot he makes, or assist he makes, is because he gets inside the lane and makes things happen. This is not a product of his team, his team benefits from him doing what he does. He makes that team run, without LeBron the Heat are a lower seed. With LeBron the Heat are winning 2 in a row. It's very simple. LeBron creates shots. LeBron gets in the lane and either scores or passes it off. At the end of the game the defense is looking for LeBron to get in the lane so LeBron steps back and hits the open jumper. It sounds simple but it's hard to pull off. But LeBron makes the NBA look simple right now. Can he keep this up for another 5 years, maybe not. But right now, he's the best at what he does, and that's getting the ball in the basket. Hence, Basketball.
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