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This is a fucking shame! Quran burning in Florida banned
Mo Z. Dizzle:
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--- Quote from: Anunikke on September 11, 2010, 06:22:07 AM ---
--- Quote from: Mo Z. Dizzle on September 10, 2010, 11:02:13 PM ---
--- Quote from: C-BLUE on September 10, 2010, 10:48:39 PM ---
--- Quote from: Mo Z. Dizzle on September 10, 2010, 09:55:28 PM ---Comparing a novel and religious scripture is ridiculous, whether or not you believe in religion. The other Priests, Rabbis, etc. are against the burning because radical Muslims have destroyed the image of the religion and should not be representing Islam, just as this guy shouldn't be representing Christians or Americans.
If Obama would have said something like that, if would have been irresponsible. Because he knows that if the Qur'an burning goes down, the troops will be targeted. It's not giving in to anything, its to a) protect the troops and b) show religious tolerance especially since Islam's image has been ruined by extremists.
Its one thing to go crazy over burning a novel; its another to show passion for the religious scripture of your religion. If Mr. Jones decides to do that, despite being told by various parties that it can affect the very people trying to protect the US, then the blood will be on his hands. You can't expect to put your hand in a fire and not to have consequences of your actions.
The Islamic community centre isn't going to be at Ground Zero. Its going to be 2 to 5 blocks away from the site there. They're having culinary schools and a swimming pool, basically like a YMCA or a Jewish community centre. And they're also having prayer sections for other religions to promote religion tolerance and peace with other religions; that's what the basis of Islam is, to promote peace and humanity with people. Extremists don't understand that but shouldn't be the representation of Islam, just like Mr. Jones isn't and shouldn't be one for Christians and Americans.
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What is more important? Our lives or our basic human rights. I don't know about you but I don't wanna live a world where I don't have those rights. This is the question you need to ask yourself. And I ain't saying we don't have those rights, but every time you GIVE IN to these niggas you're giving your freedom away piece by piece!! If you got somebody scared of you, you can get that person to do just about anything and that's what's happening here. "Oh shiiiit we gotta protect the troops!!!!!!!! we can't burn the Quran" hahahaha bitches! This is worth fighting for and if you really think you can say that blood is gonna be on that pastor's hands if he goes forward with burning this book then you need to checc yourself homie. Let's say if John Doe calls up my house and says to me "if you walk down the street today i'll kill a thousand people", so allright I don't walk down the street, then the next day he calls again and says "if you go to mcdonalds today i'll kill your children" etc. etc. and I don't do anything he says I can't do. You know where I'm going with this. You wanna be a punk and live like a bitch? I don't.
And as far as novels go. What the fucc do you think religious scripture is?
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For you it might be a novel; but for other people it has meaning.
As for the John Doe example, you aren't provoking anything by walking out in general or going to a McDonald's. If some random dude calls you saying they'll kill 1000 people, then you call the cops for that. This guy is provoking a response by wanting to burn the religious script of another religion. It would be like if a Jewish went on to burn the Bible because they didn't believe in it. Fine, you don't believe it than that's up to you. But that doesn't give them the right to burn a text that's sacred just because they didn't believe in it. And Obama would still have to protect the troops as much as he can. He's not banning book burning in general, he's saying not to burn the sacred scripture of a religion. Would he have a different stance if there weren't troops in Afghanistan and Iraq? Possibly. But till then he has an obligation to the troops that are over there risking their lives and their families.
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I can't even burn books I paid for with my own money now? SMH
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Yeah, they should see it as what it is, just a burned book I paid for, instead they have to come with 'symbolic meaning' and shit to make a political affair out of it. Obviously they like to burn other countries flags, fine, and we like to burn their religious book. These sand people should stop bitching.
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Again, its more than just a common book for Muslim people; just like the Bible and Torah is more than a common book for Christians and Jews. Why should they have that point of view? Its nothing we came up for to make a political affair out of. Its a sacred text for Muslims, simple as that. If you want to burn a country's flag, go ahead and do that. There are Muslims in Canada, US, UK, etc. that have nothing to do w/ radical Islam which is what Mr. Jones is arguing against. Why insult everybody in the religion when your message is directed towards a certain group of the religion? He can just as easily burn an Afghan flag, Hezbollah flag, or some other country's flag.
Anunikke:
--- Quote from: Mo Z. Dizzle on September 11, 2010, 09:01:12 AM ---
--- Quote from: still not decided on September 11, 2010, 07:06:16 AM ---
--- Quote from: Anunikke on September 11, 2010, 06:22:07 AM ---
--- Quote from: Mo Z. Dizzle on September 10, 2010, 11:02:13 PM ---
--- Quote from: C-BLUE on September 10, 2010, 10:48:39 PM ---
--- Quote from: Mo Z. Dizzle on September 10, 2010, 09:55:28 PM ---Comparing a novel and religious scripture is ridiculous, whether or not you believe in religion. The other Priests, Rabbis, etc. are against the burning because radical Muslims have destroyed the image of the religion and should not be representing Islam, just as this guy shouldn't be representing Christians or Americans.
If Obama would have said something like that, if would have been irresponsible. Because he knows that if the Qur'an burning goes down, the troops will be targeted. It's not giving in to anything, its to a) protect the troops and b) show religious tolerance especially since Islam's image has been ruined by extremists.
Its one thing to go crazy over burning a novel; its another to show passion for the religious scripture of your religion. If Mr. Jones decides to do that, despite being told by various parties that it can affect the very people trying to protect the US, then the blood will be on his hands. You can't expect to put your hand in a fire and not to have consequences of your actions.
The Islamic community centre isn't going to be at Ground Zero. Its going to be 2 to 5 blocks away from the site there. They're having culinary schools and a swimming pool, basically like a YMCA or a Jewish community centre. And they're also having prayer sections for other religions to promote religion tolerance and peace with other religions; that's what the basis of Islam is, to promote peace and humanity with people. Extremists don't understand that but shouldn't be the representation of Islam, just like Mr. Jones isn't and shouldn't be one for Christians and Americans.
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What is more important? Our lives or our basic human rights. I don't know about you but I don't wanna live a world where I don't have those rights. This is the question you need to ask yourself. And I ain't saying we don't have those rights, but every time you GIVE IN to these niggas you're giving your freedom away piece by piece!! If you got somebody scared of you, you can get that person to do just about anything and that's what's happening here. "Oh shiiiit we gotta protect the troops!!!!!!!! we can't burn the Quran" hahahaha bitches! This is worth fighting for and if you really think you can say that blood is gonna be on that pastor's hands if he goes forward with burning this book then you need to checc yourself homie. Let's say if John Doe calls up my house and says to me "if you walk down the street today i'll kill a thousand people", so allright I don't walk down the street, then the next day he calls again and says "if you go to mcdonalds today i'll kill your children" etc. etc. and I don't do anything he says I can't do. You know where I'm going with this. You wanna be a punk and live like a bitch? I don't.
And as far as novels go. What the fucc do you think religious scripture is?
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For you it might be a novel; but for other people it has meaning.
As for the John Doe example, you aren't provoking anything by walking out in general or going to a McDonald's. If some random dude calls you saying they'll kill 1000 people, then you call the cops for that. This guy is provoking a response by wanting to burn the religious script of another religion. It would be like if a Jewish went on to burn the Bible because they didn't believe in it. Fine, you don't believe it than that's up to you. But that doesn't give them the right to burn a text that's sacred just because they didn't believe in it. And Obama would still have to protect the troops as much as he can. He's not banning book burning in general, he's saying not to burn the sacred scripture of a religion. Would he have a different stance if there weren't troops in Afghanistan and Iraq? Possibly. But till then he has an obligation to the troops that are over there risking their lives and their families.
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I can't even burn books I paid for with my own money now? SMH
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Yeah, they should see it as what it is, just a burned book I paid for, instead they have to come with 'symbolic meaning' and shit to make a political affair out of it. Obviously they like to burn other countries flags, fine, and we like to burn their religious book. These sand people should stop bitching.
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Again, its more than just a common book for Muslim people; just like the Bible and Torah is more than a common book for Christians and Jews. Why should they have that point of view? Its nothing we came up for to make a political affair out of. Its a sacred text for Muslims, simple as that. If you want to burn a country's flag, go ahead and do that. There are Muslims in Canada, US, UK, etc. that have nothing to do w/ radical Islam which is what Mr. Jones is arguing against. Why insult everybody in the religion when your message is directed towards a certain group of the religion? He can just as easily burn an Afghan flag, Hezbollah flag, or some other country's flag.
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Exactly, it's not directed to every muslim but that specific group.
They're not trying to insult me so I have no problems with it,
Especially considering the actions of this specific group. Actions that are the same as this one.
But ofcourse most religious people can't understand this logic.
I don't support the reason for this book burning but I don't think it should be banned.
Radical islam isn't exclusive to afghanistan or even the middle-east.
Mo Z. Dizzle:
--- Quote from: Anunikke on September 11, 2010, 11:28:38 AM ---
--- Quote from: Mo Z. Dizzle on September 11, 2010, 09:01:12 AM ---
--- Quote from: still not decided on September 11, 2010, 07:06:16 AM ---
--- Quote from: Anunikke on September 11, 2010, 06:22:07 AM ---
--- Quote from: Mo Z. Dizzle on September 10, 2010, 11:02:13 PM ---
--- Quote from: C-BLUE on September 10, 2010, 10:48:39 PM ---
--- Quote from: Mo Z. Dizzle on September 10, 2010, 09:55:28 PM ---Comparing a novel and religious scripture is ridiculous, whether or not you believe in religion. The other Priests, Rabbis, etc. are against the burning because radical Muslims have destroyed the image of the religion and should not be representing Islam, just as this guy shouldn't be representing Christians or Americans.
If Obama would have said something like that, if would have been irresponsible. Because he knows that if the Qur'an burning goes down, the troops will be targeted. It's not giving in to anything, its to a) protect the troops and b) show religious tolerance especially since Islam's image has been ruined by extremists.
Its one thing to go crazy over burning a novel; its another to show passion for the religious scripture of your religion. If Mr. Jones decides to do that, despite being told by various parties that it can affect the very people trying to protect the US, then the blood will be on his hands. You can't expect to put your hand in a fire and not to have consequences of your actions.
The Islamic community centre isn't going to be at Ground Zero. Its going to be 2 to 5 blocks away from the site there. They're having culinary schools and a swimming pool, basically like a YMCA or a Jewish community centre. And they're also having prayer sections for other religions to promote religion tolerance and peace with other religions; that's what the basis of Islam is, to promote peace and humanity with people. Extremists don't understand that but shouldn't be the representation of Islam, just like Mr. Jones isn't and shouldn't be one for Christians and Americans.
--- End quote ---
What is more important? Our lives or our basic human rights. I don't know about you but I don't wanna live a world where I don't have those rights. This is the question you need to ask yourself. And I ain't saying we don't have those rights, but every time you GIVE IN to these niggas you're giving your freedom away piece by piece!! If you got somebody scared of you, you can get that person to do just about anything and that's what's happening here. "Oh shiiiit we gotta protect the troops!!!!!!!! we can't burn the Quran" hahahaha bitches! This is worth fighting for and if you really think you can say that blood is gonna be on that pastor's hands if he goes forward with burning this book then you need to checc yourself homie. Let's say if John Doe calls up my house and says to me "if you walk down the street today i'll kill a thousand people", so allright I don't walk down the street, then the next day he calls again and says "if you go to mcdonalds today i'll kill your children" etc. etc. and I don't do anything he says I can't do. You know where I'm going with this. You wanna be a punk and live like a bitch? I don't.
And as far as novels go. What the fucc do you think religious scripture is?
--- End quote ---
For you it might be a novel; but for other people it has meaning.
As for the John Doe example, you aren't provoking anything by walking out in general or going to a McDonald's. If some random dude calls you saying they'll kill 1000 people, then you call the cops for that. This guy is provoking a response by wanting to burn the religious script of another religion. It would be like if a Jewish went on to burn the Bible because they didn't believe in it. Fine, you don't believe it than that's up to you. But that doesn't give them the right to burn a text that's sacred just because they didn't believe in it. And Obama would still have to protect the troops as much as he can. He's not banning book burning in general, he's saying not to burn the sacred scripture of a religion. Would he have a different stance if there weren't troops in Afghanistan and Iraq? Possibly. But till then he has an obligation to the troops that are over there risking their lives and their families.
--- End quote ---
I can't even burn books I paid for with my own money now? SMH
--- End quote ---
Yeah, they should see it as what it is, just a burned book I paid for, instead they have to come with 'symbolic meaning' and shit to make a political affair out of it. Obviously they like to burn other countries flags, fine, and we like to burn their religious book. These sand people should stop bitching.
--- End quote ---
Again, its more than just a common book for Muslim people; just like the Bible and Torah is more than a common book for Christians and Jews. Why should they have that point of view? Its nothing we came up for to make a political affair out of. Its a sacred text for Muslims, simple as that. If you want to burn a country's flag, go ahead and do that. There are Muslims in Canada, US, UK, etc. that have nothing to do w/ radical Islam which is what Mr. Jones is arguing against. Why insult everybody in the religion when your message is directed towards a certain group of the religion? He can just as easily burn an Afghan flag, Hezbollah flag, or some other country's flag.
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Exactly, it's not directed to every muslim but that specific group.
They're not trying to insult me so I have no problems with it,
Especially considering the actions of this specific group. Actions that are the same as this one.
But ofcourse most religious people can't understand this logic.
I don't support the reason for this book burning but I don't think it should be banned.
Radical islam isn't exclusive to afghanistan or even the middle-east.
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It wasn't banned though. He was heavily advised not to go through with it, but the decision was still his.
They were even going to provide additional security.
And if a message is directed towards a specific group, then do something that will deal only with that specific group. He wanted to burn a book that's sacred to all Muslims. That includes moderate Muslims and Muslims targeted by the radical Muslims (e.g. Shia Muslims). If you're burning something sacred to whole group of people when your message is only directed to a fraction of it, the odds are you'll get more people pissed off. Why provoke that when you know there are better means of spreading your message that can gain you more support?
I and most Muslims agree with Mr. Jones that something has to be done about radical Islam. Doing something like burning the Quran would have made him just as radical. If somebody was going to burn a Bible or Torah, Muslims would also stand up at that time.
David Mack:
This iz all propoganda to create segregation between the people and u suckas are fallin for it. What we should really have is a "BURN THE 9/11 COMMISSION REPORT DAY" cuz that piece of crap was more fiction than Lord of the rings. America is such a shit show it ain't even funny. U muhfukas should be concerned about real issues like the economy and how the elite are robbin u blind.
Sikotic™:
Well, no point in even getting worked up over this since the dickhead pastor did it for publicity. The media fails again.
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