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Quote from: rapsodie sees the groupie in you on September 16, 2010, 08:14:27 AMQuote from: imsohappydatmydiccsbig on September 16, 2010, 04:23:33 AMQuote from: rapsodie sees the groupie in you on September 15, 2010, 11:48:34 PMQuote from: Action! on September 15, 2010, 09:06:01 PMI don't think I'm a Joe Budden stan, though I am a fan. I do think his commentary on the Vibe Best Rapper competition was blown out of proportion. If you watch the video, at least from my perspective, it doesn't feel like he purposely singled out Method Man because he wanted beef. He just grabbed random rappers name that he genuinely felt he was better than. His larger issue was "What merits are you using to judge the best rapper?" That happened to be totally glossed over because Method Man got emotional about Budden's minor comment. Honestly, the entire situation was stupid. Budden got emotional about some wack vibe article. Method Man got emotional about some throw away comment from Budden. Both bitched out from different perspectives - lack of disses and it resorting to 5 guys confront 1 person and 1 blow being landed, etc.Budden's commentary on the vibe contest was retarded based on the rapper he chose to target. If I remember correctly there were quite a few "wack" rapper on that list, some with careers barely lasting a year who were put on there purely for being hot at the moment. Yet instead of one of those rappers he chooses to go after a member of a legendary group who has dropped classic records and has his own lengthy solo career? LMAO.yeah, but in all honety - Joey is a better rapper/lyricist than Meth. recordsales and longevity is irrelevant, when you're evaluating a rappers skills... plus, he didnt attack him - he just took some name at random, and gave his opinioin on him as a rapper/lyricist... and meth got emotional like a bitch, and intead of going agaist Joey lyricaly, to validate himself as a better rapper in defense - he started sayin ignorant bullshit on the internet.. i love Meth though - but he failed on this one...Speak for yourself, but I haven't seen Budden drop a better album than the first three Wu albums or Tical. How does this make him a better lyricist?And lol @ you making things up about Meth's response. You seem to have forgotten that it was Joey running his mouth off, and Meth's response was to suggest they face off on a track.u need to put these niggas' repertoires aside - all their albums n bullshit. that's irrelevant n unnecessary. a rapper isnn't better just becasue his album is (plus, that's a subjective matter, in all honesty).. that's a delusional way of seeing things, n none of dat makes sense. u can't evaluate greatness in a rapper, like that. Pac got better albums than everybody, but he isn't the best lyricist. same thing wit Jay-z, Biggie n Nas.. Chino XL, Kool G Rap and Ras kass are better lyricists than all these cats, but they got shitty albums.. greater lyrics, doesn't necessarily make better music or better songs/albums...Wu-tang albums are better than Joeys, yup we agree on dat. But joey is definitely better than meth, indivdually - when it comes to lyrics. that's a no-brainer. Meth is a comicbook-character, a characteristic rapper wit one or 2 funny punchlines, every now n then..n i kno the story on the Budden/Meth-drama. budden took his name at random, n just said dat he thought he was better than him. meth & Busta rhymes got emotional n took his statements out of context, on a radio-show - n said ignorant things, instead of stepppin up in defense. meth lost alotta of credentials wit that bullshit - everybody knows that.. this is hiphop, when a nigga say u beter than him - ur supposed to step up n defend ur stature, in a battle (just like they did in the late 80's), not condescend to childish insults and internet-beef.. but i guess that's how things work, nowadays..
Quote from: imsohappydatmydiccsbig on September 16, 2010, 04:23:33 AMQuote from: rapsodie sees the groupie in you on September 15, 2010, 11:48:34 PMQuote from: Action! on September 15, 2010, 09:06:01 PMI don't think I'm a Joe Budden stan, though I am a fan. I do think his commentary on the Vibe Best Rapper competition was blown out of proportion. If you watch the video, at least from my perspective, it doesn't feel like he purposely singled out Method Man because he wanted beef. He just grabbed random rappers name that he genuinely felt he was better than. His larger issue was "What merits are you using to judge the best rapper?" That happened to be totally glossed over because Method Man got emotional about Budden's minor comment. Honestly, the entire situation was stupid. Budden got emotional about some wack vibe article. Method Man got emotional about some throw away comment from Budden. Both bitched out from different perspectives - lack of disses and it resorting to 5 guys confront 1 person and 1 blow being landed, etc.Budden's commentary on the vibe contest was retarded based on the rapper he chose to target. If I remember correctly there were quite a few "wack" rapper on that list, some with careers barely lasting a year who were put on there purely for being hot at the moment. Yet instead of one of those rappers he chooses to go after a member of a legendary group who has dropped classic records and has his own lengthy solo career? LMAO.yeah, but in all honety - Joey is a better rapper/lyricist than Meth. recordsales and longevity is irrelevant, when you're evaluating a rappers skills... plus, he didnt attack him - he just took some name at random, and gave his opinioin on him as a rapper/lyricist... and meth got emotional like a bitch, and intead of going agaist Joey lyricaly, to validate himself as a better rapper in defense - he started sayin ignorant bullshit on the internet.. i love Meth though - but he failed on this one...Speak for yourself, but I haven't seen Budden drop a better album than the first three Wu albums or Tical. How does this make him a better lyricist?And lol @ you making things up about Meth's response. You seem to have forgotten that it was Joey running his mouth off, and Meth's response was to suggest they face off on a track.
Quote from: rapsodie sees the groupie in you on September 15, 2010, 11:48:34 PMQuote from: Action! on September 15, 2010, 09:06:01 PMI don't think I'm a Joe Budden stan, though I am a fan. I do think his commentary on the Vibe Best Rapper competition was blown out of proportion. If you watch the video, at least from my perspective, it doesn't feel like he purposely singled out Method Man because he wanted beef. He just grabbed random rappers name that he genuinely felt he was better than. His larger issue was "What merits are you using to judge the best rapper?" That happened to be totally glossed over because Method Man got emotional about Budden's minor comment. Honestly, the entire situation was stupid. Budden got emotional about some wack vibe article. Method Man got emotional about some throw away comment from Budden. Both bitched out from different perspectives - lack of disses and it resorting to 5 guys confront 1 person and 1 blow being landed, etc.Budden's commentary on the vibe contest was retarded based on the rapper he chose to target. If I remember correctly there were quite a few "wack" rapper on that list, some with careers barely lasting a year who were put on there purely for being hot at the moment. Yet instead of one of those rappers he chooses to go after a member of a legendary group who has dropped classic records and has his own lengthy solo career? LMAO.yeah, but in all honety - Joey is a better rapper/lyricist than Meth. recordsales and longevity is irrelevant, when you're evaluating a rappers skills... plus, he didnt attack him - he just took some name at random, and gave his opinioin on him as a rapper/lyricist... and meth got emotional like a bitch, and intead of going agaist Joey lyricaly, to validate himself as a better rapper in defense - he started sayin ignorant bullshit on the internet.. i love Meth though - but he failed on this one...
Quote from: Action! on September 15, 2010, 09:06:01 PMI don't think I'm a Joe Budden stan, though I am a fan. I do think his commentary on the Vibe Best Rapper competition was blown out of proportion. If you watch the video, at least from my perspective, it doesn't feel like he purposely singled out Method Man because he wanted beef. He just grabbed random rappers name that he genuinely felt he was better than. His larger issue was "What merits are you using to judge the best rapper?" That happened to be totally glossed over because Method Man got emotional about Budden's minor comment. Honestly, the entire situation was stupid. Budden got emotional about some wack vibe article. Method Man got emotional about some throw away comment from Budden. Both bitched out from different perspectives - lack of disses and it resorting to 5 guys confront 1 person and 1 blow being landed, etc.Budden's commentary on the vibe contest was retarded based on the rapper he chose to target. If I remember correctly there were quite a few "wack" rapper on that list, some with careers barely lasting a year who were put on there purely for being hot at the moment. Yet instead of one of those rappers he chooses to go after a member of a legendary group who has dropped classic records and has his own lengthy solo career? LMAO.
I don't think I'm a Joe Budden stan, though I am a fan. I do think his commentary on the Vibe Best Rapper competition was blown out of proportion. If you watch the video, at least from my perspective, it doesn't feel like he purposely singled out Method Man because he wanted beef. He just grabbed random rappers name that he genuinely felt he was better than. His larger issue was "What merits are you using to judge the best rapper?" That happened to be totally glossed over because Method Man got emotional about Budden's minor comment. Honestly, the entire situation was stupid. Budden got emotional about some wack vibe article. Method Man got emotional about some throw away comment from Budden. Both bitched out from different perspectives - lack of disses and it resorting to 5 guys confront 1 person and 1 blow being landed, etc.
^You know what's funny about that video? Rae says "98%" don't want it from me, yet Joe Budden is asking for it & saying he will dish it back out & destroy him.This isn't even a stan comment, it's just a logical one, all legendary things aside, but Rae KNOWS he couldn't stick with him, it's a fact in my mind lol.
Quote from: imsohappydatmydiccsbig on September 16, 2010, 09:40:04 PMQuote from: rapsodie sees the groupie in you on September 16, 2010, 08:14:27 AMQuote from: imsohappydatmydiccsbig on September 16, 2010, 04:23:33 AMQuote from: rapsodie sees the groupie in you on September 15, 2010, 11:48:34 PMQuote from: Action! on September 15, 2010, 09:06:01 PMI don't think I'm a Joe Budden stan, though I am a fan. I do think his commentary on the Vibe Best Rapper competition was blown out of proportion. If you watch the video, at least from my perspective, it doesn't feel like he purposely singled out Method Man because he wanted beef. He just grabbed random rappers name that he genuinely felt he was better than. His larger issue was "What merits are you using to judge the best rapper?" That happened to be totally glossed over because Method Man got emotional about Budden's minor comment. Honestly, the entire situation was stupid. Budden got emotional about some wack vibe article. Method Man got emotional about some throw away comment from Budden. Both bitched out from different perspectives - lack of disses and it resorting to 5 guys confront 1 person and 1 blow being landed, etc.Budden's commentary on the vibe contest was retarded based on the rapper he chose to target. If I remember correctly there were quite a few "wack" rapper on that list, some with careers barely lasting a year who were put on there purely for being hot at the moment. Yet instead of one of those rappers he chooses to go after a member of a legendary group who has dropped classic records and has his own lengthy solo career? LMAO.yeah, but in all honety - Joey is a better rapper/lyricist than Meth. recordsales and longevity is irrelevant, when you're evaluating a rappers skills... plus, he didnt attack him - he just took some name at random, and gave his opinioin on him as a rapper/lyricist... and meth got emotional like a bitch, and intead of going agaist Joey lyricaly, to validate himself as a better rapper in defense - he started sayin ignorant bullshit on the internet.. i love Meth though - but he failed on this one...Speak for yourself, but I haven't seen Budden drop a better album than the first three Wu albums or Tical. How does this make him a better lyricist?And lol @ you making things up about Meth's response. You seem to have forgotten that it was Joey running his mouth off, and Meth's response was to suggest they face off on a track.u need to put these niggas' repertoires aside - all their albums n bullshit. that's irrelevant n unnecessary. a rapper isnn't better just becasue his album is (plus, that's a subjective matter, in all honesty).. that's a delusional way of seeing things, n none of dat makes sense. u can't evaluate greatness in a rapper, like that. Pac got better albums than everybody, but he isn't the best lyricist. same thing wit Jay-z, Biggie n Nas.. Chino XL, Kool G Rap and Ras kass are better lyricists than all these cats, but they got shitty albums.. greater lyrics, doesn't necessarily make better music or better songs/albums...Wu-tang albums are better than Joeys, yup we agree on dat. But joey is definitely better than meth, indivdually - when it comes to lyrics. that's a no-brainer. Meth is a comicbook-character, a characteristic rapper wit one or 2 funny punchlines, every now n then..n i kno the story on the Budden/Meth-drama. budden took his name at random, n just said dat he thought he was better than him. meth & Busta rhymes got emotional n took his statements out of context, on a radio-show - n said ignorant things, instead of stepppin up in defense. meth lost alotta of credentials wit that bullshit - everybody knows that.. this is hiphop, when a nigga say u beter than him - ur supposed to step up n defend ur stature, in a battle (just like they did in the late 80's), not condescend to childish insults and internet-beef.. but i guess that's how things work, nowadays..Busta Rhymes? Where did that come from? Do you mean Meth? Why are you making things up about how Meth responded? Read the interview....Budden dissed him first and Meth's response was to defend himself by offering to go one on one on a track. And Budden's response to that was to back down. Lmao, so how did Meth lose cred exactly? Budden talked shit and then tried to retract his statement when he got challenged.Your whole idea of lyrics is messed up to begin with. How the fuck is a rapper supposed to be a great lyricist when they can't make great records or great music? You clearly don't know what being lyrical even means.http://www.thefreedictionary.com/lyrical
Quote from: Chamillitary Click on September 16, 2010, 10:29:11 PM^You know what's funny about that video? Rae says "98%" don't want it from me, yet Joe Budden is asking for it & saying he will dish it back out & destroy him.This isn't even a stan comment, it's just a logical one, all legendary things aside, but Rae KNOWS he couldn't stick with him, it's a fact in my mind lol.Rae came out with OB4CL, a classic album that has garnered near-universal praise and is THE defining mafioso album of rap. Going on that, how is he not a great lyricist? Am I missing something or do we seem to have different ideas of what makes a lyricist great? Because I don't understand how a rapper could be a great lyricist but release shitty material.
What about J Dilla?
Quote from: rapsodie sees the groupie in you on September 16, 2010, 10:52:20 PMQuote from: Chamillitary Click on September 16, 2010, 10:29:11 PM^You know what's funny about that video? Rae says "98%" don't want it from me, yet Joe Budden is asking for it & saying he will dish it back out & destroy him.This isn't even a stan comment, it's just a logical one, all legendary things aside, but Rae KNOWS he couldn't stick with him, it's a fact in my mind lol.Rae came out with OB4CL, a classic album that has garnered near-universal praise and is THE defining mafioso album of rap. Going on that, how is he not a great lyricist? Am I missing something or do we seem to have different ideas of what makes a lyricist great? Because I don't understand how a rapper could be a great lyricist but release shitty material.What does that have to do with anything? That album is over a decade old. He wasn't saying I can make a better album than anybody on this list, he said I can outrap them on a diss track. I don't see many cases in beef related things where Raekwon made it known "you can't see me" where Joe Budden should feel that Rae would actually threaten him in a rap battle, ten years out of his prime lol.Anyway, that's your opinion of Joe. To me, Joe's material is fantastic; personally starting for me at "Halfway House". He's got some great songs throughout Mood Muzik, especially the third one, but something about those weren't the same to me as from "Halfway House" on; that would without a doubt in my mind get higher praise if released in...oh say, 1995.I'd say Jadakiss & Banks are two great lyricists & neither have anything spectacular to show for it; I mean, nothing on the level of "classic". Honestly, people agree "College Dropout" is a classic, but I don't think Kanye is a great lyricist on that. Considering that the last classic I find in a majority of Top 10 lists is the MMLP & nothing after that is dared compared to the Pac's & Big's, you're basically telling me there are no great lyricists from 2001-on because in order to be a great lyricist, you need a classic album, apparently.
Quote from: Chamillitary Click on September 16, 2010, 11:49:39 PMQuote from: rapsodie sees the groupie in you on September 16, 2010, 10:52:20 PMQuote from: Chamillitary Click on September 16, 2010, 10:29:11 PM^You know what's funny about that video? Rae says "98%" don't want it from me, yet Joe Budden is asking for it & saying he will dish it back out & destroy him.This isn't even a stan comment, it's just a logical one, all legendary things aside, but Rae KNOWS he couldn't stick with him, it's a fact in my mind lol.Rae came out with OB4CL, a classic album that has garnered near-universal praise and is THE defining mafioso album of rap. Going on that, how is he not a great lyricist? Am I missing something or do we seem to have different ideas of what makes a lyricist great? Because I don't understand how a rapper could be a great lyricist but release shitty material.What does that have to do with anything? That album is over a decade old. He wasn't saying I can make a better album than anybody on this list, he said I can outrap them on a diss track. I don't see many cases in beef related things where Raekwon made it known "you can't see me" where Joe Budden should feel that Rae would actually threaten him in a rap battle, ten years out of his prime lol.Anyway, that's your opinion of Joe. To me, Joe's material is fantastic; personally starting for me at "Halfway House". He's got some great songs throughout Mood Muzik, especially the third one, but something about those weren't the same to me as from "Halfway House" on; that would without a doubt in my mind get higher praise if released in...oh say, 1995.I'd say Jadakiss & Banks are two great lyricists & neither have anything spectacular to show for it; I mean, nothing on the level of "classic". Honestly, people agree "College Dropout" is a classic, but I don't think Kanye is a great lyricist on that. Considering that the last classic I find in a majority of Top 10 lists is the MMLP & nothing after that is dared compared to the Pac's & Big's, you're basically telling me there are no great lyricists from 2001-on because in order to be a great lyricist, you need a classic album, apparently.Ayo I was listening to Kanye - Cant Tell Me Nothing on youtube today and in the description the dude was like "this man is a lyrical genius". I was like GTFO here LOL.
Quote from: The-Leak (aka) kingwell (bka) JULES on September 17, 2010, 12:20:24 AMQuote from: Chamillitary Click on September 16, 2010, 11:49:39 PMQuote from: rapsodie sees the groupie in you on September 16, 2010, 10:52:20 PMQuote from: Chamillitary Click on September 16, 2010, 10:29:11 PM^You know what's funny about that video? Rae says "98%" don't want it from me, yet Joe Budden is asking for it & saying he will dish it back out & destroy him.This isn't even a stan comment, it's just a logical one, all legendary things aside, but Rae KNOWS he couldn't stick with him, it's a fact in my mind lol.Rae came out with OB4CL, a classic album that has garnered near-universal praise and is THE defining mafioso album of rap. Going on that, how is he not a great lyricist? Am I missing something or do we seem to have different ideas of what makes a lyricist great? Because I don't understand how a rapper could be a great lyricist but release shitty material.What does that have to do with anything? That album is over a decade old. He wasn't saying I can make a better album than anybody on this list, he said I can outrap them on a diss track. I don't see many cases in beef related things where Raekwon made it known "you can't see me" where Joe Budden should feel that Rae would actually threaten him in a rap battle, ten years out of his prime lol.Anyway, that's your opinion of Joe. To me, Joe's material is fantastic; personally starting for me at "Halfway House". He's got some great songs throughout Mood Muzik, especially the third one, but something about those weren't the same to me as from "Halfway House" on; that would without a doubt in my mind get higher praise if released in...oh say, 1995.I'd say Jadakiss & Banks are two great lyricists & neither have anything spectacular to show for it; I mean, nothing on the level of "classic". Honestly, people agree "College Dropout" is a classic, but I don't think Kanye is a great lyricist on that. Considering that the last classic I find in a majority of Top 10 lists is the MMLP & nothing after that is dared compared to the Pac's & Big's, you're basically telling me there are no great lyricists from 2001-on because in order to be a great lyricist, you need a classic album, apparently.Ayo I was listening to Kanye - Cant Tell Me Nothing on youtube today and in the description the dude was like "this man is a lyrical genius". I was like GTFO here LOL.Honestly, I'm a bit of a backwards Kanye fan; I think he got progressively better with his albums. Meaning "Graduation" is my favorite. I just used "College Dropout" because saying that's his best is the norm.So yeah, "Can't Tell Me Nothing" is an AMAZING song to me, but I agree with you 100%, whoever posted that about him is a fuckin' moron lol. It's a great beat, with a great Kanye vibe & sound to it. "You can get through anything if Magic made it"..lol, not exactly Big L.
yeah ok so budden can outrap a bunch of great rappers in a battle rap WE GET THE FUCKIN IDEA!!!he cant make a better record than them tho. can we just stfu about this now. i listen to records, not battles, same as everyone else here. its a dumb line of arguement for that reason.