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Dan Marino is the greatest QB to ever live
Shallow:
Elway was a fantastic QB. He was much better in the 80s than he was on those 90s SB teams, but those teams were so much better. I never understood what made Elway any better than Kelly. And if not for those last two seasons on that juggernaut team, that would have won just the same with Kelly's talents, he never would have been seen as any better than Kelly. Of course Kelly is also amazing.
Yeah Denver never had a 2000 yard runner in those days, but Elways never cracked 4000 yards or 20 TDs either. In the same era Marino was pushing 5000 and 50 TDs and passing it. The Broncos were a solid team in the 80s with a solid and sound defense and a great coach in Dan Reeves.
Marino had two coaches past their expiry date when he played, a lackluster D, no real run game. It was a team based on his ability more than anything else. And like I've said for a while now; QBs don't win games. They can help, but that's it.
bad-n-fluenz supporter of the dangerous crew movement:
fuck dan reeves...if mike shanahan was the coach back then as well elway's stats would have been a lot better.....& elway never cracked 4000 yards passing... 1993 stats 4,030 yards passing 25 tds 10 ints. im not trying to take anything away from marino are any other QBs
The Come Up Shuffle:
--- Quote from: Shallow on September 21, 2010, 08:53:35 PM ---Elway was a fantastic QB. He was much better in the 80s than he was on those 90s SB teams, but those teams were so much better. I never understood what made Elway any better than Kelly. And if not for those last two seasons on that juggernaut team, that would have won just the same with Kelly's talents, he never would have been seen as any better than Kelly. Of course Kelly is also amazing.
Yeah Denver never had a 2000 yard runner in those days, but Elways never cracked 4000 yards or 20 TDs either. In the same era Marino was pushing 5000 and 50 TDs and passing it. The Broncos were a solid team in the 80s with a solid and sound defense and a great coach in Dan Reeves.
Marino had two coaches past their expiry date when he played, a lackluster D, no real run game. It was a team based on his ability more than anything else. And like I've said for a while now; QBs don't win games. They can help, but that's it.
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Maybe most overrated was a bit harsh on my part but Shallow sums in up nicely. Except I would say Denvers defense in the 80's was much better than solid. He was a great leader but not tht great a passer. His touchdown to interception ratio leaves a lot to be desired.
The Come Up Shuffle:
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--- Quote from: bad-n-fluenz supporter of the dangerous crew movement on September 21, 2010, 08:43:12 AM ---greatest QB is John Elway
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Elway wasn't great QB until he got a 2000 yard rusher. Elway is one of the most overrated in NFL history. He was the lovable loser the media shoved down out throats
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obviously you dont know what you're talking about.....if anybody is overrated it was marino
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+1 another L for Tammy Fitz
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How is it an L ? Because I am smart enough to realize the whole a QB's greatness is measured by the SB's he won is a bunch of BS created by the media ? Because I am smart enough to realize football is the ultimate team game and no one man can carry a team to a Super Bowl victory single handed ? And Hack if anyone shouldn't be telling me I took another L, it's you. Hack, I have a full head of hair while you're hairline is leaning back.
bad-n-fluenz supporter of the dangerous crew movement:
marino had 1,108 more passing attempts than elway of course he's gonna have more yards & tds than elway. lets bring up rushing stats elway 3407 yards rushing 33 tds.... marino 87 yards rushing 9 tds.... i would rather have a qb that can thow & run
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