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Quote from: Si-Chiggedy on November 03, 2010, 05:15:20 PMthat bling bling shit killed hip hop...rap used to be the articulator for the people in the hood to speak some real shit and actually point out the problems. but it turned into white men's popmusic at a certain point when rapping about rims and gold chains was more important than people from your neighborhood suffering. I don't want generalize it though and it's legitimate that major music genres turn into or mix with pop music, but especially all this "look at me, I'm rich as fuck" braggadocio stuff turned hip-hop away from what it was. sorry but the whole bling arguement is dumb as hell and whats more ITS OLD AS HELL. name ur 10 favourite rappers and i bet they glorified the high life in some of their raps. unless of course you somehow come out with the backpackers top 10 lol. we all want the good life and rap is about struggle, and people who came out that struggle want to talk about it, or at least dream about gettin out of it, so i dont care if it glorifies it, its still good.
that bling bling shit killed hip hop...rap used to be the articulator for the people in the hood to speak some real shit and actually point out the problems. but it turned into white men's popmusic at a certain point when rapping about rims and gold chains was more important than people from your neighborhood suffering. I don't want generalize it though and it's legitimate that major music genres turn into or mix with pop music, but especially all this "look at me, I'm rich as fuck" braggadocio stuff turned hip-hop away from what it was.
Quote from: SCREWFACE on November 04, 2010, 03:20:58 PMQuote from: Si-Chiggedy on November 03, 2010, 05:15:20 PMthat bling bling shit killed hip hop...rap used to be the articulator for the people in the hood to speak some real shit and actually point out the problems. but it turned into white men's popmusic at a certain point when rapping about rims and gold chains was more important than people from your neighborhood suffering. I don't want generalize it though and it's legitimate that major music genres turn into or mix with pop music, but especially all this "look at me, I'm rich as fuck" braggadocio stuff turned hip-hop away from what it was. sorry but the whole bling arguement is dumb as hell and whats more ITS OLD AS HELL. name ur 10 favourite rappers and i bet they glorified the high life in some of their raps. unless of course you somehow come out with the backpackers top 10 lol. we all want the good life and rap is about struggle, and people who came out that struggle want to talk about it, or at least dream about gettin out of it, so i dont care if it glorifies it, its still good. Yeah I see what you're trying to say. And to some point I agree because I really do like some of those songs. It don't matter if it's E-40, Snoop, Cube or even DJ Quik. All of them had their poppy songs, especially Snoop. But what I'm trying to say is, that those songs turned Hip-Hop into the wrong direction. I mean in a mainstream kind of way. All of them had their best songs when being "real" or better from the bottom. And you can see them going back to that. E-40 with his last album, Cube on tracks like "Hood Robbin" or "Gangsta Rap Made Me Do It". Everyone of us likes some pop songs, that's nothing strange and never has been. But the point is, hip-hop was at its best when it tried to tell stories, you feel me? Just don't call my point dumb, I think you didn't really get what I was trying to point out. Just look at what people praise these days the most. I mean even on here. It's lyrics like those of rappers like Murs or Paris. Who really try to point something out not just telling which cognac brand they shift down their throat.For example I really enjoy the track of N.E.R.D.'s new album "Life As A Fish" which is really trying to make a statement. That's what music should do, especially hip-hop, which was coming out of this kind of art form. And in the last decade we had so many bullshit topics to be rapped about. I mean even Terrace Martin showed us how easy it could be with this love and relationship thing. Hip-Hop has to have a direction, but the recent direction is just wrong. That's what Nas pointed out for example.
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Quote from: Si-Chiggedy on November 04, 2010, 08:34:36 PMQuote from: SCREWFACE on November 04, 2010, 03:20:58 PMQuote from: Si-Chiggedy on November 03, 2010, 05:15:20 PMthat bling bling shit killed hip hop...rap used to be the articulator for the people in the hood to speak some real shit and actually point out the problems. but it turned into white men's popmusic at a certain point when rapping about rims and gold chains was more important than people from your neighborhood suffering. I don't want generalize it though and it's legitimate that major music genres turn into or mix with pop music, but especially all this "look at me, I'm rich as fuck" braggadocio stuff turned hip-hop away from what it was. sorry but the whole bling arguement is dumb as hell and whats more ITS OLD AS HELL. name ur 10 favourite rappers and i bet they glorified the high life in some of their raps. unless of course you somehow come out with the backpackers top 10 lol. we all want the good life and rap is about struggle, and people who came out that struggle want to talk about it, or at least dream about gettin out of it, so i dont care if it glorifies it, its still good. Yeah I see what you're trying to say. And to some point I agree because I really do like some of those songs. It don't matter if it's E-40, Snoop, Cube or even DJ Quik. All of them had their poppy songs, especially Snoop. But what I'm trying to say is, that those songs turned Hip-Hop into the wrong direction. I mean in a mainstream kind of way. All of them had their best songs when being "real" or better from the bottom. And you can see them going back to that. E-40 with his last album, Cube on tracks like "Hood Robbin" or "Gangsta Rap Made Me Do It". Everyone of us likes some pop songs, that's nothing strange and never has been. But the point is, hip-hop was at its best when it tried to tell stories, you feel me? Just don't call my point dumb, I think you didn't really get what I was trying to point out. Just look at what people praise these days the most. I mean even on here. It's lyrics like those of rappers like Murs or Paris. Who really try to point something out not just telling which cognac brand they shift down their throat.For example I really enjoy the track of N.E.R.D.'s new album "Life As A Fish" which is really trying to make a statement. That's what music should do, especially hip-hop, which was coming out of this kind of art form. And in the last decade we had so many bullshit topics to be rapped about. I mean even Terrace Martin showed us how easy it could be with this love and relationship thing. Hip-Hop has to have a direction, but the recent direction is just wrong. That's what Nas pointed out for example. ok so ill admit the point isnt dumb when you explain it like that, makes a lot of sense. it think it just comes down to preference, i LOVE music with a message, something that can make me feel or think differently, something that can grab me. but fuck i love that ignornant shit too and i dont think one is wrong or right, they are just different. you could say the direction of hip-hop in the mainstream has become SHALLOW, fuck yeah, its shallow as hell and ill freely admit that, but it doesnt make it bad. not all music needs a message. i mean hell im a huge techno head and what is the message to that? there is a scene surrounding it all about being free, dancing, and getting fucked up, but really it has no message, its just music, and i think its wrong to downplay music just because it doesnt tell a story or have a serious message.
Quote from: SCREWFACE on November 05, 2010, 08:55:41 AMQuote from: Si-Chiggedy on November 04, 2010, 08:34:36 PMQuote from: SCREWFACE on November 04, 2010, 03:20:58 PMQuote from: Si-Chiggedy on November 03, 2010, 05:15:20 PMthat bling bling shit killed hip hop...rap used to be the articulator for the people in the hood to speak some real shit and actually point out the problems. but it turned into white men's popmusic at a certain point when rapping about rims and gold chains was more important than people from your neighborhood suffering. I don't want generalize it though and it's legitimate that major music genres turn into or mix with pop music, but especially all this "look at me, I'm rich as fuck" braggadocio stuff turned hip-hop away from what it was. sorry but the whole bling arguement is dumb as hell and whats more ITS OLD AS HELL. name ur 10 favourite rappers and i bet they glorified the high life in some of their raps. unless of course you somehow come out with the backpackers top 10 lol. we all want the good life and rap is about struggle, and people who came out that struggle want to talk about it, or at least dream about gettin out of it, so i dont care if it glorifies it, its still good. Yeah I see what you're trying to say. And to some point I agree because I really do like some of those songs. It don't matter if it's E-40, Snoop, Cube or even DJ Quik. All of them had their poppy songs, especially Snoop. But what I'm trying to say is, that those songs turned Hip-Hop into the wrong direction. I mean in a mainstream kind of way. All of them had their best songs when being "real" or better from the bottom. And you can see them going back to that. E-40 with his last album, Cube on tracks like "Hood Robbin" or "Gangsta Rap Made Me Do It". Everyone of us likes some pop songs, that's nothing strange and never has been. But the point is, hip-hop was at its best when it tried to tell stories, you feel me? Just don't call my point dumb, I think you didn't really get what I was trying to point out. Just look at what people praise these days the most. I mean even on here. It's lyrics like those of rappers like Murs or Paris. Who really try to point something out not just telling which cognac brand they shift down their throat.For example I really enjoy the track of N.E.R.D.'s new album "Life As A Fish" which is really trying to make a statement. That's what music should do, especially hip-hop, which was coming out of this kind of art form. And in the last decade we had so many bullshit topics to be rapped about. I mean even Terrace Martin showed us how easy it could be with this love and relationship thing. Hip-Hop has to have a direction, but the recent direction is just wrong. That's what Nas pointed out for example. ok so ill admit the point isnt dumb when you explain it like that, makes a lot of sense. it think it just comes down to preference, i LOVE music with a message, something that can make me feel or think differently, something that can grab me. but fuck i love that ignornant shit too and i dont think one is wrong or right, they are just different. you could say the direction of hip-hop in the mainstream has become SHALLOW, fuck yeah, its shallow as hell and ill freely admit that, but it doesnt make it bad. not all music needs a message. i mean hell im a huge techno head and what is the message to that? there is a scene surrounding it all about being free, dancing, and getting fucked up, but really it has no message, its just music, and i think its wrong to downplay music just because it doesnt tell a story or have a serious message.I think the solution to this discussion is diversity. Both songs with a message and "fun" songs have their place in hip hop. But when all you are hearing all over the media is ignorant pop songs it makes the genre seem watered-down. I hate how other music genres are allowed to have diversity on a mainstream level, but for hip hop, the powers that be insist on latching onto the next trend and flooding the radio with songs that all try to sound alike.