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Quote from: Teddy Roosevelt on October 20, 2010, 12:14:03 PMQuote from: rapsodie sees the elano in you on October 20, 2010, 02:10:37 AMQuote from: Teddy Roosevelt on October 19, 2010, 07:00:49 PMHow is saying the Universe created itself any different then saying God created the Universe? They are both "something out of nothing" theories.The only difference is that we actually know the universe exists. Why bother involving an invisible and mystical all-powerful entity?Because we are not debating that the universe exists, we are debating how it was created. Hawking provides no proof for his universe created itself theory (which violates the conservation of mass principle). Therefore I can't accept it because it has the same flaw as creationism: no evidence.There's no proof for any of this. Since we have no evidence, all of this is speculation. However, there is clearly a difference between Hawking making up some theory and an all-powerful divine being. We know the universe exists.
Quote from: rapsodie sees the elano in you on October 20, 2010, 02:10:37 AMQuote from: Teddy Roosevelt on October 19, 2010, 07:00:49 PMHow is saying the Universe created itself any different then saying God created the Universe? They are both "something out of nothing" theories.The only difference is that we actually know the universe exists. Why bother involving an invisible and mystical all-powerful entity?Because we are not debating that the universe exists, we are debating how it was created. Hawking provides no proof for his universe created itself theory (which violates the conservation of mass principle). Therefore I can't accept it because it has the same flaw as creationism: no evidence.
Quote from: Teddy Roosevelt on October 19, 2010, 07:00:49 PMHow is saying the Universe created itself any different then saying God created the Universe? They are both "something out of nothing" theories.The only difference is that we actually know the universe exists. Why bother involving an invisible and mystical all-powerful entity?
How is saying the Universe created itself any different then saying God created the Universe? They are both "something out of nothing" theories.
Quote from: Anunikke on October 19, 2010, 04:26:32 PMIs any body else starting to think QT left to research the subject and not sound like an idiot talking about the wind?NObody else
Is any body else starting to think QT left to research the subject and not sound like an idiot talking about the wind?
Quote from: rapsodie sees the elano in you on October 20, 2010, 12:31:27 PMQuote from: Teddy Roosevelt on October 20, 2010, 12:14:03 PMQuote from: rapsodie sees the elano in you on October 20, 2010, 02:10:37 AMQuote from: Teddy Roosevelt on October 19, 2010, 07:00:49 PMHow is saying the Universe created itself any different then saying God created the Universe? They are both "something out of nothing" theories.The only difference is that we actually know the universe exists. Why bother involving an invisible and mystical all-powerful entity?Because we are not debating that the universe exists, we are debating how it was created. Hawking provides no proof for his universe created itself theory (which violates the conservation of mass principle). Therefore I can't accept it because it has the same flaw as creationism: no evidence.There's no proof for any of this. Since we have no evidence, all of this is speculation. However, there is clearly a difference between Hawking making up some theory and an all-powerful divine being. We know the universe exists.I feel like we are going in circles here. The question is not whether the universe exists. Everyone knows it does. The question is how it was created. Hawking saying the universe created itself and Creationists saying God created the universe have the same flaws since they both lack any real evidence. Beyond the Big Bang, their isn't any proof one way or the other.
Quote from: rapsodie sees the elano in you on October 19, 2010, 06:39:39 PMQuote from: QuietTruth on October 19, 2010, 06:10:15 PMIf He exists outside time and space, as we know it, how does he have to be created? How do we know there isn't somethang bigger than Space?? So.....if you don't feel its necessary for this god to be created by something, then why do you think its necessary for the universe to be created by something? My point being, you feel so compelled to come up a creator, but you completely ignore the creation of the creator. It seems a waste of time because you aren't really answering the question of how things came to be. You laugh at the idea that the universe created itself. But now you're saying that God created itself? Just replace God with Universe and you'd be saying the same thing.QT you plan on offering a response to this?
Quote from: QuietTruth on October 19, 2010, 06:10:15 PMIf He exists outside time and space, as we know it, how does he have to be created? How do we know there isn't somethang bigger than Space?? So.....if you don't feel its necessary for this god to be created by something, then why do you think its necessary for the universe to be created by something? My point being, you feel so compelled to come up a creator, but you completely ignore the creation of the creator. It seems a waste of time because you aren't really answering the question of how things came to be. You laugh at the idea that the universe created itself. But now you're saying that God created itself? Just replace God with Universe and you'd be saying the same thing.
If He exists outside time and space, as we know it, how does he have to be created? How do we know there isn't somethang bigger than Space??
Quote from: Anunikke on October 20, 2010, 11:14:22 AMQuote from: Anunikke on October 19, 2010, 04:26:32 PMIs any body else starting to think QT left to research the subject and not sound like an idiot talking about the wind?NObody elseIf he did, then he did a horrible job. most people learn and grow, but with him, it's almost like he's gone backwards. it's obvious religion has been a huge part of his entire life. He's constantly talking about what he was taught and how our views go against everything he was taught. I think his emotions have gotten the best of him. You see him make comments like "You don't tell a nigga there's no god". What the fucc is that about? And because of those emotions, I believe he's gotten more religious than before and that's why I think he's making less and less sense. This is what religion does to the weak minded. It's almost like cancer. You go from being to stupid to being brain dead.
LOL at weak minded. I'm not the one who deserts thinking, wondering, and humility, to follow some arrogant, 'rebellious', egotistical idea. Shut de door, keep out de devil.
This is a stupid discussion. We are arguing about speculation. Pinning one person's speculation against another when neither has any proof is just fuckin retarded. Almos tlike Christians and Muslims arguing how their religion is more truthful than the other.
Quote from: QuietTruth on October 20, 2010, 04:27:21 PMLOL at weak minded. I'm not the one who deserts thinking, wondering, and humility, to follow some arrogant, 'rebellious', egotistical idea. Shut de door, keep out de devil.Are you serious?
^ So that's pretty ignorant. To try and down it, and you haven't even read it. Proves my point about the 'rebellious' idea of Atheism.Quote from: S.I.K. on October 20, 2010, 04:33:59 PMQuote from: QuietTruth on October 20, 2010, 04:27:21 PMLOL at weak minded. I'm not the one who deserts thinking, wondering, and humility, to follow some arrogant, 'rebellious', egotistical idea. Shut de door, keep out de devil.Are you serious?Dead ass. *See above.
Haha! I make this topic and come back to see how its going and find its got over 50 replies, was not expecting that! Maybe God created himself....same thing as the universe created itself....