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For all believers.. an interesting arguement

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Trauma-san:

--- Quote from: Ant on December 21, 2002, 11:52:55 PM ---

But to proceed from here.  Your final arguement is a bit lacking.  Its a vague statement with no definite meaning.  For instance, I could say "you don't understand blah blah blah" what exactly does that prove.  

When I made my statement I was merely criticizing your arguement.  However, you are attempting to discredit my arguement by attacking me.  



--- End quote ---

I'm just saying (not attacking) that it's as simple as that.  you have to understand, that one of the basic tenants of religion is faith.  That means, that no matter what, Religion cannot and will not be proven, any of them.  Religion asks you to make huge leaps of faith and believe stuff that makes sometimes no logical sense.  My religion is pretty sensible, most of it is pretty neatly explained, but just like in all religions, there are tons of things that there is no evidence for, it's just accepted on a matter of faith. You expect (in your earlier reply) for me to show you why god, with total proof neccessitated by you, has given us free will, and to prove that statement.  


The only argument I can give you, for that, is dependant on the validity of my religion, which cannot be proven.  So while my, and other religions, have totally explained your dilemma in this post, you can't accept it because it's based on the fundamentals of that religion.  Religion can't be proven, and at least my religion believes that whole heartedly and has a good explanation for why, that satisfies my curiosity, LOL.  With you on the outside, though, if I explained it to you (which I have done in the past on this board) you'd just say it wasn't a good enough explanation for you.

Man, I think you're looking at the wrong aspect of religion.  You're arguing about truthfulness, proof, all that, there is no proof, never will be that any religion is true, or is not true; there's shaky proof of the existance of god, but then you probably know shaky proof of his non-existance.  The only thing worth arguing about in religion, is WHY it affects billions of people in the world today.  I'd be more inclined to argue with you about that, then to argue with you about soemthing that's just wheel spinning.  Peace~

(P.S., I really didn't mean that as a personal attack, I was just saying you don't understand that religion is faith based, and can never be proven.  Peace~)

Ant:
Fair enough.   :)

verbalassaulta:
thats a great quote...  some of you guys need to take some philosophy couses when you get to college...  love the quote though...i agree with most of it

Ant:
Yeah definitely.  For the longest time I thought philosophy was lame.  I took it in HS and was like ehh.  Then it was a mandatory course in college and i hated it.  Then my little brother decided he was going to be a philosophy and management double major and I was like "what the fuck is wrong with you"

Then I started reading some of it myself.  Well to be honest its really really helpful stuff.  Philosophy is definitely best used as a means to an end.  But with that in mind, it can help you with almost every part of your life.  It all depends on who you read though.  A lot of it won't relate to you, and a lot of it you need a dictionary to read (www.m-w.com).

But if you find some good stuff it helps out a lot.  Although beware of what you read.  Some philosophy can easily lead you down the wrong path, so don't get too drawn into the first person you read and like.  

Instant_Killa:
wow, you both (ant and ET) have a very profound vocabulary. I respect that :)

apart from that, i really found your argument boring, but no offence, im not that philosophical a guy...maybe im not that mature yet....

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