great story by a guy who helped Eminem get his record deal - very in depth

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hey hate on it all you want bro, thats not my point. I dont care if people hate them. Exploiting? I think they invented the horrorcore sound, or at the very minimum help mold and shape it, in the beginning. Say esham made it a year before, so what? They from same area, and in fact esham is on icp's first album. MY main point here is they are the blueprint to makin it without a label deal, or bein discovered. They sat in kinko's for hours and hours and hours and did flyers for years on their own. They WAS on def jam, hated it, and got off so they could maximize their money off they own shit.

making rap a mockery? Bag grammer unless your yoda. Anyway They arent rappers. They say so themself. You dont put this cd under just rap. Its a specific demographic of rap, a sub genre. Some call it death rap, horror rap, horrorcore, whatever. Chino XL is just mad cuz he cant and hasnt and will not ever sell as much as ICP or ever have the following they do. I like chino, but if he puts out an album in 3 months it wont sell as much as ICP thats just how it is.

that song miracles you speak of, I dont hate the song but its not one I really like either. Thats not the point, hate it all you want. Howard stern got famous for pissin people off. More listened to him cuz they hated him than loved him jus to see what he would do next. Look at that shit on youtube, has millions upon millions of viewers. THEY MADE an entire Saturday Night Live skit WITH 2 guys face painted like ICP and spittin rhymes and all. That album, with miracles, was number 4 on billboard 200 its first week out. Alot of rappers never get that high, has chino xl? Especially today, where everybody downloads the shit.

They made that sound, its all theirs, its unique. Tech N9ne used to be a regular hip hop artist and then blam he's doin wicked shit. Brotha Lynch Hung always been doin wicked shit but just not to the degree he's doin it now. King Gordy, Bizarre, Proof, Swifty, lots of others started doin wicked shit exclusively cuz it has a big following. ITS like ECW in the 90's. Yeah its not as big as WWF/WWE was or WCW, but it had a big following too on its own merit.

and guy that said they got books? they got BOOKS? They got action figures, thongs, vinyl, shoes, jackets, their own energy drink, I can go on and on. They market themself very well. They have a huge 10,000 or person 4 day long version of woodstock called gathering of the juggalos every year. Ive been twice, saw bone thugs and mack 10 and abunch of people that have made songs with ICP there. Met king gordy there before he got big. At that event, they is everything from carnival rides, to midgit porn bitches rideing a mechanical bull, to pro wrestling.

Like I said, hate them all you want, but they put in the work and they got big. 2 highschool drop outs and they are more successful than most rappers will ever be. Thats 2 be respected. they got 18 years in the game.

its not like I dont like hip hop cats like wu or crook or jay or nas or pac or ross or whoever. I liked that shit first, will always like that shit too, but I like the wicked shit also, and it IS rap, but not just rap it has its own following and its not for everybody thats fine. Its a different kind of hip hop. Tell chino that ICP signed dayton family, maybe if he wants to get his swole on he can holla at them for a jobby job.

people that have made songs with ICP you'd be surprised to hear: 2 songs with ODB, Snoop, 4 or 5 songs with Three Six Mafia "used to be known as triple six mafia btw", Ice-T, Bone Thugs, Tech N9ne, Mack 10, Kid rock, Above the Law.

on a side note you tube the interview bill oreily gave violent J, its fucking hillarious.

[Triple OG Rapsodie]

hahahah your writing is on some radiotube status

[LatinoThugPassion]

cuz he's white? thats why they wouldnt sign him? What about all the successful white rappers in say, 1998. Necro been around since 89, has his own label. R.A. the rugged man. B Real from cypress. 3rd Bass, bloodhound gang, house of pain. Kid Rock before he became a rocker style. The mothafuckin beastie boys on def jam. ICP started in 90, have their own label, sub label, movies ect. Half Breed. Kottonmouth Kings. Twiztid. Yes there might not have been a superstar, but white rappers was gettin over before his ass came along. As far as his discovery, dude it was very short the work he put in compared to others. Also, who has their shit played for dr. dre then he gets at you when they first mixtape/ep or whatever hits the street? Thats like winning the lottery. Snoop and Em, thats about it that just from the jump had that spotlight set on them by dre and it blew up. Others didnt work out so great, like knoccturnal and such. I dont think it has much to do with color.

we're talkin about MAJOR labels not indie.. Name me a white rapper that was a HUGE success in a MAJOR label other than vanilla ice? and not even.. house of pain?.. Jump around was ONE hit and there other singles never did as big as jump around. B-real is half MEXICAN and CUBAN he isnt caucasion. Necro and all them other dudes real talk 80% of the USA never heard of them till 1999 and napster was out real talk. white rappers got there shine after the internet became a priority in everyones home. Eminem been around since 96 grinding so dont tell me he had it handed to him.. and ICP is wack as hell there beats and lyrics suck they sound like a damn parody from SNL