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The official The Dark Knight Rises thread...
Shallow:
--- Quote from: JohnnyL on January 20, 2011, 07:18:44 AM ---
From a narrative point of view, I don't really know where they're going to go with it. I have faith that they'll come up with something, but the rumors about the movie featuring Dr. Hugo Strange actually made a little more sense to me. Because the "Prey" storyline dealt with Hugo Strange assisting the Gotham Police Department track down a fugitive Batman (which was pretty much the situation that Batman was left in at the end of "The Dark Knight.") There are already rumors that, despite using Bane as the villain rather than Hugo Strange, they still may be using elements of the "Prey" storyline. Of course you have to take any rumors about this movie with a grain of salt though. This casting announcement pretty well illustrates how wrong most of the early rumors about this movie have been.
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I still expect it to be better than any non-Batman superhero film this decade, I'm just not excited about it like I was the Dark Knight because of how the Dark Knight ended, as opposed to how Begins ended, (which I still wasn't blown away by but at least excited to see the Joker and Nolan's take on it so that Burton's take could be wiped away from mainstream culture). There's nothing about the Catwoman or Bane characters that make me say "oh man I can't wait to see Nolan's take on them" and I can't fathom there being a groundbreaking way to tackle the Bat-fugitive storyline.
Nolan said he treated each film as it's own story and didn't plan ahead for a trilogy. I think if he did he would have saved the return of Ducard for this film. He'd be the ideal character in this franchise to be the one that works with Gotham to track and capture Batman.
M Dogg™:
What people forget is that Nolan borrows heavy from the comic book, and either Bane or the Black Mask is the only direction he can take it from this point. Batman is on the run, the mob is in pieces dealing with the Joker, so either it's Black Mask that picks up those pieces and becomes the overlord of the city, or what's left of the mob hires Bane, who then "Breaks the Bat." After the Joker and Two-Face, there is nothing left. Riddler is too over done, Mr. Freeze should be done for at least another movie, you can't have the Red Hood, Penguin is just outdated, Poison Ivy and Clayface makes no sense in Nolan's world, same with Killer Croc and Man Bat. So Bane it is, the man who broke the bat. Also, I would love for Ducard to comeback, but Nolan's world does not allow for that, though I know my wife, who knows nothing about Batman other than the movies really wants Two Face back. I can see Two Face coming back, he can still come back later and be the perfect villain.
As for Catwoman, I know many wanted to see Talia come in and avenge her father. But the reality is that Catwoman makes sense to encounter Batman first. In every story of Batman, Catwoman is always one of the first villains he encounters. So bring on the Catwoman. It fits his personal story. Rachel is dead, his lonely and growing more out of touch. The Catwoman would be the one to blur his whole proscriptive, as the first two movies Bruce Wayne has done a good job of separating Batman from himself. Now though, what happens when Batman himself encounters someone that gets his mojo working. Can Batman's love interest, who stands against everything Bruce is against and Rachel is against, help blur the lines between Batman and Bruce Wayne. This personal story will be what makes the movie go, and if Nolan hits it right, Catwoman will be the best thing that's happened. All that's left if adopting a 8 year old Dick Grayson (who should not be Robin in this, or the next film as far as I'm concern) to help Bruce try to fill in that family his trying to build. You have his new love in Catwoman, that father figure in Alfred, now he needs that son in Dick.
I trust in Nolan, I feel that he is the only one that can take the over did Catwoman story and make it fresh and bring to the mainstream what is right with this over 70 year old love/hate story. Adding Bane to me is the icing on the cake, because he has always been one of my favorites and to see what Schumacher did to him was a travesty.
IN NOLAN WE TRUST.
Episcop Cruel Cvrle:
Great post M Dogg. +1. In Nolan we trust, thats it. I remember I was sceptical when I first heard Heath is gonna play Joker, I knew that he is a great actor but I could not imagine him as Joker, tho he just blew me off with his preformance, lets see what will happen with Anne Heathaway as Catwoman. I have no doubt that Tom Hardy will nail his part, dude is amazing.
JohnnyL:
--- Quote from: Shallow on January 20, 2011, 08:27:43 AM ---
--- Quote from: JohnnyL on January 20, 2011, 07:18:44 AM ---
From a narrative point of view, I don't really know where they're going to go with it. I have faith that they'll come up with something, but the rumors about the movie featuring Dr. Hugo Strange actually made a little more sense to me. Because the "Prey" storyline dealt with Hugo Strange assisting the Gotham Police Department track down a fugitive Batman (which was pretty much the situation that Batman was left in at the end of "The Dark Knight.") There are already rumors that, despite using Bane as the villain rather than Hugo Strange, they still may be using elements of the "Prey" storyline. Of course you have to take any rumors about this movie with a grain of salt though. This casting announcement pretty well illustrates how wrong most of the early rumors about this movie have been.
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I still expect it to be better than any non-Batman superhero film this decade, I'm just not excited about it like I was the Dark Knight because of how the Dark Knight ended, as opposed to how Begins ended, (which I still wasn't blown away by but at least excited to see the Joker and Nolan's take on it so that Burton's take could be wiped away from mainstream culture). There's nothing about the Catwoman or Bane characters that make me say "oh man I can't wait to see Nolan's take on them" and I can't fathom there being a groundbreaking way to tackle the Bat-fugitive storyline.
Nolan said he treated each film as it's own story and didn't plan ahead for a trilogy. I think if he did he would have saved the return of Ducard for this film. He'd be the ideal character in this franchise to be the one that works with Gotham to track and capture Batman.
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While I'm definitely not as excited about the announcement of Catwoman and Bane in this movie as I was about the Joker in "The Dark Knight," I still find Bane and Catwoman to be interesting choices. They are both characters that I didn't really expect Nolan to choose for the third movie, but I am interested to see Nolan's take on them. Especially since the last time that Catwoman and Bane appeared in a movie, the result was just awful. It was as though whoever chose to use those characters had no regard for the source material. I'm sure Nolan will have to change some things, but he'll be much more faithful to the source material than that.
DeeezNuuuts83:
Deep down, I've always been thinking it would be Bane. What other villain is bad enough to convince Gotham to seek out Batman and embrace him after he and Commissioner Gordon pinned the crimes on him to cover up Harvey Dent?
Anyway, expect some CGI on Bane... kind of like what they did to that one guy from that League of Extraordinary Gentlemen movie where he went from this:
to this:
Before this was announced but when I was still hoping Bane would be the main villain, I was hoping that Nathan Jones (from Ong Bak and Fearless) would play Bane since he's got the size:
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