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The official The Dark Knight Rises thread...
M Dogg™:
When Nolan and Bale leave, I would NOT reboot the franchise, I'd build off it. They did a great job of building a great story of young Bruce Wayne. I'd hire someone to play an older Bruce Wayne, someone who needs a Robin to help him, and someone who in the comics is looking to build a sense of family, even through his own twisted Batman world. Start with Robin in part 4, you can bring back Two-Face, and have Dick Grayson help Batman as an older Batman is not cutting it. Part 5 can start with the Dick Grayson split and turn to Nightwight, move to a different city and forge his own identity. Since you have a new Batman, why not a new Joker and bring in Jason Todd's Robin to be killed by the Joker. This would solidify Joker as Batman's main villain and continue their story. Maybe even get Batgirl in there as Barbara Gordon and have her suffer the fate of getting paralyzed by Joker as well. Part 6 can deal with Tim Drake becoming Robin, and how he helps Batman capture the Joker.
You don't have to do a reboot, just have Batman move eras. If they get the right director and actor for Batman, they should be able to do another trilogy of older Batman. Hell, maybe a 3 trilogy with Bruce Wayne's death and Dick Grayson coming back to claim the cowl. I forgot you need to have Bruce Wayne's love story with Talia al Ghul. So much to do with Batman for another trilogy, Warner Brothers be thinking ahead.
eazye:
Going a bit offtopic here, I wanted to say that the recent decisions that were made from the powers that be to reboot certain stories (Spider-Man and most notably, Hulk (for the second time >:( ) have been not so well thought out imo.I can see why they wanted to to a new Spider-Man story, but with Hulk?Everything was falling into place with the whole Avengers storyline but that's been discussed here before, so I'll leave it at that
Also, with Aronofsky being mentioned, it's nice to see that he's directing the new Wolverine movie (if imdb is to be trusted).From what I could gather the Origins story would be treated like it didn't exist (not sure though) and Hugh Jackman is still on board, which could mean very intriguing results
JohnnyL:
--- Quote from: eazye on January 22, 2011, 05:50:59 AM ---Going a bit offtopic here, I wanted to say that the recent decisions that were made from the powers that be to reboot certain stories (Spider-Man and most notably, Hulk (for the second time >:( ) have been not so well thought out imo.I can see why they wanted to to a new Spider-Man story, but with Hulk?Everything was falling into place with the whole Avengers storyline but that's been discussed here before, so I'll leave it at that
Also, with Aronofsky being mentioned, it's nice to see that he's directing the new Wolverine movie (if imdb is to be trusted).From what I could gather the Origins story would be treated like it didn't exist (not sure though) and Hugh Jackman is still on board, which could mean very intriguing results
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Yeah. Aronofsky is doing the next Wolverine movie, this time just titled "The Wolverine." He's said in recent interviews that it will be based off of Frank Miller's stories of Wolverine in Japan. It will still have Hugh Jackman as Wolverine, but will otherwise not be associated with "X-men Origins: Wolverine." So with that movie it would seem that Aronofsky is taking the approach that I would prefer directors take (at least most of the time). He's taking the story in a new (and hopefully better) direction, but even though he's not necessarily referencing the first movie, he's not totally starting over.
Also, prior to "Batman Begins" being released, Aronofsky and Frank Miller had collaborated on a movie adaptation of Miller's "Batman: Year One." I'm not sure how far along the project got before it was scrapped in favor of "Batman Begins," but there's recently been talk that a comic adaptation of their version of "Batman: Year One" may still be released. Not sure though what that would mean as far as the likelihood of the movie ever being made. Personally I would prefer a fourth film in the current series, but if they absolutely had to reboot Batman, Miller and Aronofsky would probably have a pretty interesting take on the material.
Shallow:
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I think this will depend on how well this new Spiderman film does next year. Spiderman came out in 02 and made a killing, then Spidey 2 comes out and does more. With Spidey 3 the sales don't do as well (but still good)
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Spiderman 3 sold more than the previous two
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Not domestically , where it counts the most. Worldwide markets get caught up more in taxes and tariffs and the figure is used mainly for marketing purposes "so and so" world wide sales sound great, but as far as actual cash in hand after a film is released you want it from te US market if you're a hollywood producer.
--- Quote from: JohnnyL on January 21, 2011, 08:38:26 PM ---
You're probably right, but man, I hate that they're constantly rebooting everything, now. I'm even beginning to hate the word "reboot." lol That's not to say I wouldn't give a different director's take on the material, a chance if it looked interesting. But personally, I would rather a different director do their own storyline, but not start the franchise over. I understand that studios are going to look at these things largely from a financial standpoint. So from that perspective, maybe it makes sense to them to start things over just to keep the property fresh for the audience. Personally though, I find it frustrating that you get so far with a continuous storyline in a movie franchise, and then you have to start all the way over. That's one thing that irks me about this newest Spider-man movie. With the first series of Batman movies, it made sense to reboot the franchise because enough damage had been done to the property that they really couldn't continue on from "Batman and Robin" and hope to make money. Also, by then a considerable amount of time had passed (eight years, I believe) where Warner Bros. had left Batman alone. This new "Spider-man" though seems to be part of an increasing trend in Hollywood to use "rebooting" as a crutch for any bump in the road the a film series encounters, rather than just being creative and fixing the problems.
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Comics do it all the time though. They change a creative team and in essence change the whole lay out of the character. Sometimes it's sudden, and sometimes it's gradual but it's still very different by the end of it. You think you can read Batman issues 1 to 700 in order and have any sense of the same universe? They're is probably 10 to 15 completely different Gothams and Bruce Waynes if you really want to read through it all.
--- Quote from: M Dogg on January 22, 2011, 04:16:42 AM ---When Nolan and Bale leave, I would NOT reboot the franchise, I'd build off it. They did a great job of building a great story of young Bruce Wayne. I'd hire someone to play an older Bruce Wayne, someone who needs a Robin to help him, and someone who in the comics is looking to build a sense of family, even through his own twisted Batman world. Start with Robin in part 4, you can bring back Two-Face, and have Dick Grayson help Batman as an older Batman is not cutting it. Part 5 can start with the Dick Grayson split and turn to Nightwight, move to a different city and forge his own identity. Since you have a new Batman, why not a new Joker and bring in Jason Todd's Robin to be killed by the Joker. This would solidify Joker as Batman's main villain and continue their story. Maybe even get Batgirl in there as Barbara Gordon and have her suffer the fate of getting paralyzed by Joker as well. Part 6 can deal with Tim Drake becoming Robin, and how he helps Batman capture the Joker.
You don't have to do a reboot, just have Batman move eras. If they get the right director and actor for Batman, they should be able to do another trilogy of older Batman. Hell, maybe a 3 trilogy with Bruce Wayne's death and Dick Grayson coming back to claim the cowl. I forgot you need to have Bruce Wayne's love story with Talia al Ghul. So much to do with Batman for another trilogy, Warner Brothers be thinking ahead.
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They don't have to do another origin story to do a reboot, but they also don't have to keep the character in the same exact continuity. Let's be serious; even if Nolan and Bale stayed on for 5 more films there would be huge gaps in the continuity eventually. Hugh Jackman played different Wolverines already, even though it's supposedly the same universe and same character.
All I'm saying is if I was a director with a vision for Batman a great story in mind, I could still use a Batman universe based closely on Nolan's but still have my own actor play Bruce in his way and someone else play Joker in his way. I wouldn't get a guy to mimic Heath. The mainstream audience that doesn't get it will still understand the basics of the Batman and the Joker and they already did before Nolan's films (many of fans did anyway).
Would I want another Batman origin story? Maybe, maybe not. I definitely would with Spider-man because I hated it so much, but with Bats they could do plenty of things with a new director that would be fine with me if done right.
JohnnyL:
**Oops. This was originally a double post. Anyway, here's a link to another article about the recent casting announcement and some of the previous casting rumors which turned out to be false...
http://blog.movies.yahoo.com/blog/435-anne-hathaway-is-your-new-catwoman
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