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The official The Dark Knight Rises thread...
M Dogg™:
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--- Quote from: DeeezNuuuts83 on July 31, 2012, 12:22:54 PM ---But it had to be consistent. Remember that in the trilogy, Rachel Dawes was a girl he had known since childhood, so she's not some college fling who gets used and discarded. It's not like it was one of the two girls he brought to dinner in Batman Begins when he went swimming in the fountain.
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That in itself isn't a very good Batman story. It is what it is. The best Batman films ever made (which there aren't many others to compare to) and maybe the best Superhero films ever made, which there aren't all that many great superhero films to begin.
But by far the Nolan trilogy is not anywhere near the best Batman stories ever told.
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No, I have always been a fan of the great work done to Batman in the late 80's/early 90's. It really set the tone for how Batman is today and the darker comic world of the 90's, and it influenced Nolan's Batman. But the limitations of a movie compared to a comic is a bit unfair. In the comics, the author and artist are talking to us, the nerds who eat this stuff up. In movies, if you set up a story like Death in the Family, the general population would be so confused and be turned off. The complexities you are allowed in a comic over a year would be too much for the general audience. That is why I actually respect Nolan's work with Batman because he did the best I could ask for anyone to bring a movie with Ra's al Ghul, a very scary Joker or a bad ass Bain. I mean, you can go to the source material to a degree to get the general audience, people know the origins of Spiderman, and Batman, and Superman and they expect these storys. But when you start making movies with more than 2 villains, then you start to confuse people, or if you start going really deep into a character they lose interest.
My brother in-law's reason for liking the Avengers more than Dark Knight Rises. "With Avengers, know I'm getting 4 bad ass superheros fighting bad guys and that works. Dark Knight Rises was too much for me, I just wanted to see Batman kick ass."
And there you have it, why we'll never get a movie as good as the comics.
Shallow:
--- Quote from: M Dogg on July 31, 2012, 07:30:45 PM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on July 31, 2012, 05:47:51 PM ---
--- Quote from: DeeezNuuuts83 on July 31, 2012, 12:22:54 PM ---But it had to be consistent. Remember that in the trilogy, Rachel Dawes was a girl he had known since childhood, so she's not some college fling who gets used and discarded. It's not like it was one of the two girls he brought to dinner in Batman Begins when he went swimming in the fountain.
--- End quote ---
That in itself isn't a very good Batman story. It is what it is. The best Batman films ever made (which there aren't many others to compare to) and maybe the best Superhero films ever made, which there aren't all that many great superhero films to begin.
But by far the Nolan trilogy is not anywhere near the best Batman stories ever told.
--- End quote ---
No, I have always been a fan of the great work done to Batman in the late 80's/early 90's. It really set the tone for how Batman is today and the darker comic world of the 90's, and it influenced Nolan's Batman. But the limitations of a movie compared to a comic is a bit unfair. In the comics, the author and artist are talking to us, the nerds who eat this stuff up. In movies, if you set up a story like Death in the Family, the general population would be so confused and be turned off. The complexities you are allowed in a comic over a year would be too much for the general audience. That is why I actually respect Nolan's work with Batman because he did the best I could ask for anyone to bring a movie with Ra's al Ghul, a very scary Joker or a bad ass Bain. I mean, you can go to the source material to a degree to get the general audience, people know the origins of Spiderman, and Batman, and Superman and they expect these storys. But when you start making movies with more than 2 villains, then you start to confuse people, or if you start going really deep into a character they lose interest.
My brother in-law's reason for liking the Avengers more than Dark Knight Rises. "With Avengers, know I'm getting 4 bad ass superheros fighting bad guys and that works. Dark Knight Rises was too much for me, I just wanted to see Batman kick ass."
And there you have it, why we'll never get a movie as good as the comics.
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In my opinion the real reason the films won't be as good as the comics is because of the artistic freedom allowed. At the end of the day the Studio still expects big profits. Warner isn't making a Batman film to win an Oscar or get credibility in the art world. It's making a Batman film to make money. It can also be a very good film, but first and foremost it has to make money.
The opposite happened when Columbia decided to distribute Remains of the Day. The thought process is that it probably won't make much, if any, profits, but it will build credibility in the art world and get us nominations.
Can a batman film or any Bat story be as good as Remains of the Day? Probably not, but if you told a top notch film director who also loved Batman to simply make the best film possible and not worry about the box office; (the Remains of the Day approach), I guarantee you'd see films much better than anything this last trilogy gave us.
M Dogg™:
Actually, you'd get Watchmen... and the Nolan trilogy was better than Watchmen.
doggfather:
--- Quote from: Hood Crawler on July 31, 2012, 05:50:33 AM ---
--- Quote from: Lunatic on July 26, 2012, 09:18:18 PM ---
Tom Hardy is quickly becoming my favorite\ actor (Inception & The Warrior)
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Definitely
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check bronson, he is a monster on taht.
Shallow:
--- Quote from: M Dogg on July 31, 2012, 09:51:04 PM ---Actually, you'd get Watchmen... and the Nolan trilogy was better than Watchmen.
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Give me a break. The producers picked the guy who just directed 300 after 20 years of failed attempts to make the film. They were simply looking for a cash grab to justify their decades of wasted money. No one went to anyone with anything resembling a straight face and said "win us an oscar" with regards to Watchman.
And anyone that's familiar with the work knows that the story is far too vast to be placed in a film and too connected to be spread out. If the studio really was interested in awards they would have used the Lord of the Rings approach of three 3 hour films containing one story and gotten a credible director to push it forward.
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