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The official The Dark Knight Rises thread...
Shallow:
--- Quote from: JohnnyL on January 22, 2011, 07:28:59 PM ---You're right. As you well pointed out in your post, it would be difficult to place Robin in the context of the universe that Nolan has established. On one hand, I would like to see them try to come up with a way to make the character work as he is integral to the Batman mythology. But on the other hand, I see why they don't bother. I think if he stayed with the series past "The Dark Knight Rises" Nolan could probably think of a way, perhaps by taking a more minimalist approach to the character and phasing in the Robin identity slowly over a series of two or three films. But my feeling from reading different interviews with Christopher Nolan is that even if he were to stay on as director for more Batman films, he would not introduce Robin, simply because he does not like the character. That's not to say that perhaps some other director wouldn't introduce Robin into a later Batman film, sometime down the road. Interestingly enough, Warner Bros. very nearly began production on a t.v. show called "The Graysons" a couple years ago that would have been in much the same vein as "Smallville," following around Dick Grayson and family before his time as Batman's sidekick. I'm glad that didn't happen. Especially given that their last attempt at a Batman-related show was "Birds of Prey" and that was a train wreck.
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Smallville worked mainly because it's more or less the Superboy comic book of years ago as a TV show. You couldn't season after season of Dick Grayson with his family. No matter who was behind it.
JohnnyL:
--- Quote from: Shallow on January 22, 2011, 08:15:28 PM ---
--- Quote from: JohnnyL on January 22, 2011, 07:28:59 PM ---You're right. As you well pointed out in your post, it would be difficult to place Robin in the context of the universe that Nolan has established. On one hand, I would like to see them try to come up with a way to make the character work as he is integral to the Batman mythology. But on the other hand, I see why they don't bother. I think if he stayed with the series past "The Dark Knight Rises" Nolan could probably think of a way, perhaps by taking a more minimalist approach to the character and phasing in the Robin identity slowly over a series of two or three films. But my feeling from reading different interviews with Christopher Nolan is that even if he were to stay on as director for more Batman films, he would not introduce Robin, simply because he does not like the character. That's not to say that perhaps some other director wouldn't introduce Robin into a later Batman film, sometime down the road. Interestingly enough, Warner Bros. very nearly began production on a t.v. show called "The Graysons" a couple years ago that would have been in much the same vein as "Smallville," following around Dick Grayson and family before his time as Batman's sidekick. I'm glad that didn't happen. Especially given that their last attempt at a Batman-related show was "Birds of Prey" and that was a train wreck.
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Smallville worked mainly because it's more or less the Superboy comic book of years ago as a TV show. You couldn't season after season of Dick Grayson with his family. No matter who was behind it.
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Yeah. That's what I was thinking. If it was just about his story prior to meeting Batman, I'm not sure how they would have been able to keep that going, week after week. The people developing this show must have finally realized this too.
Shallow:
--- Quote from: JohnnyL on January 23, 2011, 09:40:46 AM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on January 22, 2011, 08:15:28 PM ---
--- Quote from: JohnnyL on January 22, 2011, 07:28:59 PM ---You're right. As you well pointed out in your post, it would be difficult to place Robin in the context of the universe that Nolan has established. On one hand, I would like to see them try to come up with a way to make the character work as he is integral to the Batman mythology. But on the other hand, I see why they don't bother. I think if he stayed with the series past "The Dark Knight Rises" Nolan could probably think of a way, perhaps by taking a more minimalist approach to the character and phasing in the Robin identity slowly over a series of two or three films. But my feeling from reading different interviews with Christopher Nolan is that even if he were to stay on as director for more Batman films, he would not introduce Robin, simply because he does not like the character. That's not to say that perhaps some other director wouldn't introduce Robin into a later Batman film, sometime down the road. Interestingly enough, Warner Bros. very nearly began production on a t.v. show called "The Graysons" a couple years ago that would have been in much the same vein as "Smallville," following around Dick Grayson and family before his time as Batman's sidekick. I'm glad that didn't happen. Especially given that their last attempt at a Batman-related show was "Birds of Prey" and that was a train wreck.
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Smallville worked mainly because it's more or less the Superboy comic book of years ago as a TV show. You couldn't season after season of Dick Grayson with his family. No matter who was behind it.
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Yeah. That's what I was thinking. If it was just about his story prior to meeting Batman, I'm not sure how they would have been able to keep that going, week after week. The people developing this show must have finally realized this too.
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Now the original idea for Smallville I remember was about a young BRuce Wayne before he became Batman, not that could have went on for ten seasons and had been amazing. Now I'm not sure how the WB would have handled it but in theory stretching out the first hour of Batman Begins really could have went on for years. If it started at the year Bruce decides that he will be the one to avenge his family and bring order to the City of Gotham and deals with the deaths as flashbacks. Let's ay from the years 14 to 25 for the whole series, and have it end with him finally putting on the batsuit and driving out of the bat cave in the batmobile.
white Boy:
i like hardy, and from the bulked up pics of him, he looks great, however, i dont know ANYTHING about bane, so im going into this shit tabula rasa. as far as anne goes, i really dont like her, but javier ill peep that movie, but yea shallow i think itll be the worst of the 3 but more as a testament to how good the first 2 were.
M Dogg™:
--- Quote from: Shallow on January 22, 2011, 10:42:23 AM ---
--- Quote from: M Dogg on January 22, 2011, 04:16:42 AM ---When Nolan and Bale leave, I would NOT reboot the franchise, I'd build off it. They did a great job of building a great story of young Bruce Wayne. I'd hire someone to play an older Bruce Wayne, someone who needs a Robin to help him, and someone who in the comics is looking to build a sense of family, even through his own twisted Batman world. Start with Robin in part 4, you can bring back Two-Face, and have Dick Grayson help Batman as an older Batman is not cutting it. Part 5 can start with the Dick Grayson split and turn to Nightwight, move to a different city and forge his own identity. Since you have a new Batman, why not a new Joker and bring in Jason Todd's Robin to be killed by the Joker. This would solidify Joker as Batman's main villain and continue their story. Maybe even get Batgirl in there as Barbara Gordon and have her suffer the fate of getting paralyzed by Joker as well. Part 6 can deal with Tim Drake becoming Robin, and how he helps Batman capture the Joker.
You don't have to do a reboot, just have Batman move eras. If they get the right director and actor for Batman, they should be able to do another trilogy of older Batman. Hell, maybe a 3 trilogy with Bruce Wayne's death and Dick Grayson coming back to claim the cowl. I forgot you need to have Bruce Wayne's love story with Talia al Ghul. So much to do with Batman for another trilogy, Warner Brothers be thinking ahead.
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They don't have to do another origin story to do a reboot, but they also don't have to keep the character in the same exact continuity. Let's be serious; even if Nolan and Bale stayed on for 5 more films there would be huge gaps in the continuity eventually. Hugh Jackman played different Wolverines already, even though it's supposedly the same universe and same character.
All I'm saying is if I was a director with a vision for Batman a great story in mind, I could still use a Batman universe based closely on Nolan's but still have my own actor play Bruce in his way and someone else play Joker in his way. I wouldn't get a guy to mimic Heath. The mainstream audience that doesn't get it will still understand the basics of the Batman and the Joker and they already did before Nolan's films (many of fans did anyway).
Would I want another Batman origin story? Maybe, maybe not. I definitely would with Spider-man because I hated it so much, but with Bats they could do plenty of things with a new director that would be fine with me if done right.
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The Batman universe is one that so far in the movies is not hard to follow. If this is the end of Bruce Waynes younger years, you can easily set up his older years. Robin does not become part of the Batman story until Batman is older anyways. The next trilogy can focus on the Robins, from Dick Grayson and his eventual rebellion, to Jason Todd and his death, to Tim Drake and his role as the best Robin. In there you'd Batgirl who evenually become paralyzed and photos given to Commissioner Gordon in a way to try to make him insane. It does not have to be a complete reboot, Just reference these movies as the origin, and go from there.
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