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so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
rayallen0:
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--- Quote from: NIKCC on January 05, 2012, 09:50:49 PM ---
--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click; #TeamBox on January 05, 2012, 09:41:31 PM ---LOL, who said Odom wasn't better?
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buncha peeps..u were still a preteen, so i dont think u were around back then. but if u were, guaranteed u woulda been cosigning them.
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Some players fall apart faster than others... Kirilenko is not that old, but nevertheless he is not nearly the player he used to be. Not everybody has the durability and consistency of Kobe & Dirk. T-Mac is younger than Bryant, yet look at his ass during the last years. Back when you said that shit, Kirilenko was playing at a higher level than Odom. And when I look at Odom right now, I puke. Odom is an abonomination right now, trust me. You proud your ass on saying Bynum was better than Amare.. don't flatter yourself. Amare has had some trouble with his knees, remember? Many niggas semi-retire after that shit. So it's all good in the hood for him.
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bottom line, Bynum is a beast......the people who tried to laugh it off when i initially said it need 2 recognize.
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Yeah, but you shouldn't get credit for it. Wanna know why? Because you talk a gang of shit about Laker-players. On a rare occasion, someone you blatantly talked up turns out to be good eventually. But what happened to Kwame Brown or Javaris Crittenton? You talked about them like they could be the next big things in the NBA lmao. Kinda like those niggas who act like the Pau Gasol deal the Grizzlies got from the Lakers wasn't criminal after all, just because Marc Gasol turned out to be good. Well, but noone could have seen that coming and all who claim they did are either liars or simply talked him up out of principle back then.
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LMAO...dont compare, please. when did I ever say Kwame could be better than Dwight, or anything along those lines? Only thing i said bout Kwame was that he was good for our team and a great defender. Thats where it ended...never did I put Kwame in the same category as Bynum, who I KNEW could be something special. As for Crit, dude still has the tools to be a nice player, but just isn't that smart. and again, never did I claim he'd be something special, as I did with Bynum. U cannot deny my vision within the sport of basketball......as for the Grizzlies trade, it simply wasn't criminal because a.)they got cap-space to sign Zach Randolph b.)they got young players with mad potential (Marc Gasol, Javaris Crittenton...whether they panned out or not is irrelevant - they were great prospects at the time) and c.)they got TWO first round draft picks.. nothing criminal about that trade.. as u can see, it even worked in Memphis's favor......shit, I want a refund LOL.
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Nigga if you want a refund, you might as well give 2 championships away too. No way those titles happen without that trade. Next, let's not get too technical about Kwame or Crittenton - bottom line is, you talked them up to something there were not. And I'd bet my house on it: If Crittenton SOMEHOW went on to be an All-Star caliber player, you would have put on your "told you so" talk. Guaranteed. Same for Kwame.
And yes the trade worked out for the Grizzlies, I don't deny this. It's just that there's no way Chris Wallace out-smarted everybody and made a good trade because he's a terrific GM lol. He did a dumb trade and lucked out. It's a difference between being delusional and lucky and being rational and smart. Like, when Bynum's mother tells me he's gonna be great one day, it's not because of her vision of basketball.
But yeah, you do know your NBA shit, it's just that you're also a Laker-homer and blatant hater (LeBron, Nash etc), which takes away a good portion of the credit you'd receive otherwise.
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When you're a shitty team you trade away your talent, they got cap space, a few prospects, and a few draft picks. If they had held on to Pau they wouldn't have been shit and dude knew that so he shipped him out. The only reason people hated that trade so much was because it made the Lakers a championship team, when in reality, rebuilding salary moves get made quite often in all sports. Nobody was crying when the Sonics gave up Ray Allen for Jeff Green and Allen helped lead Boston to a championship.
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Oh i most def was. Ray Allen forever!
TheRemedy360Ressurection:
--- Quote from: rayallen0 on January 06, 2012, 02:35:29 PM ---
--- Quote from: TheRemedy360Resurrection on January 06, 2012, 01:17:58 PM ---
--- Quote from: 7even on January 06, 2012, 12:26:55 PM ---
--- Quote from: NIKCC on January 06, 2012, 12:11:14 PM ---
--- Quote from: 7even on January 06, 2012, 11:57:27 AM ---
--- Quote from: NIKCC on January 06, 2012, 11:01:41 AM ---
--- Quote from: 7even on January 06, 2012, 08:47:23 AM ---
--- Quote from: NIKCC on January 05, 2012, 09:50:49 PM ---
--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click; #TeamBox on January 05, 2012, 09:41:31 PM ---LOL, who said Odom wasn't better?
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buncha peeps..u were still a preteen, so i dont think u were around back then. but if u were, guaranteed u woulda been cosigning them.
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Some players fall apart faster than others... Kirilenko is not that old, but nevertheless he is not nearly the player he used to be. Not everybody has the durability and consistency of Kobe & Dirk. T-Mac is younger than Bryant, yet look at his ass during the last years. Back when you said that shit, Kirilenko was playing at a higher level than Odom. And when I look at Odom right now, I puke. Odom is an abonomination right now, trust me. You proud your ass on saying Bynum was better than Amare.. don't flatter yourself. Amare has had some trouble with his knees, remember? Many niggas semi-retire after that shit. So it's all good in the hood for him.
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bottom line, Bynum is a beast......the people who tried to laugh it off when i initially said it need 2 recognize.
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Yeah, but you shouldn't get credit for it. Wanna know why? Because you talk a gang of shit about Laker-players. On a rare occasion, someone you blatantly talked up turns out to be good eventually. But what happened to Kwame Brown or Javaris Crittenton? You talked about them like they could be the next big things in the NBA lmao. Kinda like those niggas who act like the Pau Gasol deal the Grizzlies got from the Lakers wasn't criminal after all, just because Marc Gasol turned out to be good. Well, but noone could have seen that coming and all who claim they did are either liars or simply talked him up out of principle back then.
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LMAO...dont compare, please. when did I ever say Kwame could be better than Dwight, or anything along those lines? Only thing i said bout Kwame was that he was good for our team and a great defender. Thats where it ended...never did I put Kwame in the same category as Bynum, who I KNEW could be something special. As for Crit, dude still has the tools to be a nice player, but just isn't that smart. and again, never did I claim he'd be something special, as I did with Bynum. U cannot deny my vision within the sport of basketball......as for the Grizzlies trade, it simply wasn't criminal because a.)they got cap-space to sign Zach Randolph b.)they got young players with mad potential (Marc Gasol, Javaris Crittenton...whether they panned out or not is irrelevant - they were great prospects at the time) and c.)they got TWO first round draft picks.. nothing criminal about that trade.. as u can see, it even worked in Memphis's favor......shit, I want a refund LOL.
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Nigga if you want a refund, you might as well give 2 championships away too. No way those titles happen without that trade. Next, let's not get too technical about Kwame or Crittenton - bottom line is, you talked them up to something there were not. And I'd bet my house on it: If Crittenton SOMEHOW went on to be an All-Star caliber player, you would have put on your "told you so" talk. Guaranteed. Same for Kwame.
And yes the trade worked out for the Grizzlies, I don't deny this. It's just that there's no way Chris Wallace out-smarted everybody and made a good trade because he's a terrific GM lol. He did a dumb trade and lucked out. It's a difference between being delusional and lucky and being rational and smart. Like, when Bynum's mother tells me he's gonna be great one day, it's not because of her vision of basketball.
But yeah, you do know your NBA shit, it's just that you're also a Laker-homer and blatant hater (LeBron, Nash etc), which takes away a good portion of the credit you'd receive otherwise.
--- End quote ---
When you're a shitty team you trade away your talent, they got cap space, a few prospects, and a few draft picks. If they had held on to Pau they wouldn't have been shit and dude knew that so he shipped him out. The only reason people hated that trade so much was because it made the Lakers a championship team, when in reality, rebuilding salary moves get made quite often in all sports. Nobody was crying when the Sonics gave up Ray Allen for Jeff Green and Allen helped lead Boston to a championship.
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Oh i most def was. Ray Allen forever!
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Ha, I meant outside of the WA area. He was a key component in their title run (even broke a playoff record for 3's) and Jeff Green is a superb role player but is nowhere near the same level as Allen, but nobody bitched about the Sonics handing the Celtics a championship by making a rebuilding trade.
Sccit:
--- Quote from: rayallen0 on January 06, 2012, 12:47:39 PM ---
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--- Quote from: rayallen0 on January 06, 2012, 12:05:01 PM ---still would take Amar'e Stoudemire & Al Horford over him. Though Stoudemire is a Power Forward playing Center. also throw Bogut into the convo.
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ROFLMAO...come on, my dude
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players who have played great seasons of basketball or a player who is great through 4 games with a .500 team and will most likely get injured before the all star break.
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why will he most likely get injured? all of Bynum's injuries have been from freak accidents; players rolling into his knees, landing on someones foot, etc....he is not Greg Oden, so get over that notion....as for u picking Amare, Horford, and Bogut over Bynum, that's just sad...if u were a GM, u would for sure get assassinated. Bynum has all the tools of a great big...none of the other names u mentioned do. They're not even currently in the same class....just watch some Laker games, bro.
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I have watched games. Amare led the Knicks to the playoffs before Melo came and fucked up the chemistry. Horford has made the playoffs every year he has played and steadily improved. They were freak injuries. but freak injuries to your legs add up especially when you are carrying a 285 LB frame. Bogut is as consistent Double/Double guy who will give you a solid 30 minutes every game. I could easily be wrong. If Bynum stays healthy and does this for the full season i will eat my words and rank him #2. but 4 games doesn't erase 3 double/double averaging seasons for bogut. or the solid increase in his 4 year career for Horford and being one of the most well rounded centers. and damn sure doesn't erase Stoudemire scoring or his 9 straight 30 point games last season or the heart shown in Stoudemire when he played with an injured back in the playoffs, not to mention his huge improvement in his mid-range game.
you are a homer own up to that.
And Horford played center in college and all 4 years in the NBA. so how in the fuck is he a power forward? because he is undersized?
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LOL...u dont get it. Amare and Horford are not natural centers, they are too small to dominate at that position. Bynum is not...Bynum is a throwback, he is a rare breed of true back-to-the-basket centers...and Andrew Bogut? lmao...come on, now. Not only is Bynum MUCH better than Bogut, but Bogut is just as injury prone as Bynum, if not more. You woulda been better off sayin Marc Gasol.
rayallen0:
--- Quote from: NIKCC on January 06, 2012, 07:13:32 PM ---
--- Quote from: rayallen0 on January 06, 2012, 12:47:39 PM ---
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--- Quote from: NIKCC on January 06, 2012, 12:11:39 PM ---
--- Quote from: rayallen0 on January 06, 2012, 12:05:01 PM ---still would take Amar'e Stoudemire & Al Horford over him. Though Stoudemire is a Power Forward playing Center. also throw Bogut into the convo.
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ROFLMAO...come on, my dude
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players who have played great seasons of basketball or a player who is great through 4 games with a .500 team and will most likely get injured before the all star break.
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why will he most likely get injured? all of Bynum's injuries have been from freak accidents; players rolling into his knees, landing on someones foot, etc....he is not Greg Oden, so get over that notion....as for u picking Amare, Horford, and Bogut over Bynum, that's just sad...if u were a GM, u would for sure get assassinated. Bynum has all the tools of a great big...none of the other names u mentioned do. They're not even currently in the same class....just watch some Laker games, bro.
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I have watched games. Amare led the Knicks to the playoffs before Melo came and fucked up the chemistry. Horford has made the playoffs every year he has played and steadily improved. They were freak injuries. but freak injuries to your legs add up especially when you are carrying a 285 LB frame. Bogut is as consistent Double/Double guy who will give you a solid 30 minutes every game. I could easily be wrong. If Bynum stays healthy and does this for the full season i will eat my words and rank him #2. but 4 games doesn't erase 3 double/double averaging seasons for bogut. or the solid increase in his 4 year career for Horford and being one of the most well rounded centers. and damn sure doesn't erase Stoudemire scoring or his 9 straight 30 point games last season or the heart shown in Stoudemire when he played with an injured back in the playoffs, not to mention his huge improvement in his mid-range game.
you are a homer own up to that.
And Horford played center in college and all 4 years in the NBA. so how in the fuck is he a power forward? because he is undersized?
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LOL...u dont get it. Amare and Horford are not natural centers, they are too small to dominate at that position. Bynum is not...Bynum is a throwback, he is a rare breed of true back-to-the-basket centers...and Andrew Bogut? lmao...come on, now. Not only is Bynum MUCH better than Bogut, but Bogut is just as injury prone as Bynum, if not more. You woulda been better off sayin Marc Gasol.
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yet they have been dominating at that position?
I like Boguts playing style and has been consisten withholding injuries. Bynum has never had a great season like Bogut did a couple years back in 09-10. I hope and would love Bynum to do great this season because It get's boring seeing Dwight never have competition. I'm just not buying into him being the 2nd coming of shaq after 4 great games.
Sccit:
--- Quote from: rayallen0 on January 06, 2012, 07:48:01 PM ---
--- Quote from: NIKCC on January 06, 2012, 07:13:32 PM ---
--- Quote from: rayallen0 on January 06, 2012, 12:47:39 PM ---
--- Quote from: NIKCC on January 06, 2012, 12:20:49 PM ---
--- Quote from: rayallen0 on January 06, 2012, 12:15:10 PM ---
--- Quote from: NIKCC on January 06, 2012, 12:11:39 PM ---
--- Quote from: rayallen0 on January 06, 2012, 12:05:01 PM ---still would take Amar'e Stoudemire & Al Horford over him. Though Stoudemire is a Power Forward playing Center. also throw Bogut into the convo.
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ROFLMAO...come on, my dude
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players who have played great seasons of basketball or a player who is great through 4 games with a .500 team and will most likely get injured before the all star break.
--- End quote ---
why will he most likely get injured? all of Bynum's injuries have been from freak accidents; players rolling into his knees, landing on someones foot, etc....he is not Greg Oden, so get over that notion....as for u picking Amare, Horford, and Bogut over Bynum, that's just sad...if u were a GM, u would for sure get assassinated. Bynum has all the tools of a great big...none of the other names u mentioned do. They're not even currently in the same class....just watch some Laker games, bro.
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I have watched games. Amare led the Knicks to the playoffs before Melo came and fucked up the chemistry. Horford has made the playoffs every year he has played and steadily improved. They were freak injuries. but freak injuries to your legs add up especially when you are carrying a 285 LB frame. Bogut is as consistent Double/Double guy who will give you a solid 30 minutes every game. I could easily be wrong. If Bynum stays healthy and does this for the full season i will eat my words and rank him #2. but 4 games doesn't erase 3 double/double averaging seasons for bogut. or the solid increase in his 4 year career for Horford and being one of the most well rounded centers. and damn sure doesn't erase Stoudemire scoring or his 9 straight 30 point games last season or the heart shown in Stoudemire when he played with an injured back in the playoffs, not to mention his huge improvement in his mid-range game.
you are a homer own up to that.
And Horford played center in college and all 4 years in the NBA. so how in the fuck is he a power forward? because he is undersized?
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LOL...u dont get it. Amare and Horford are not natural centers, they are too small to dominate at that position. Bynum is not...Bynum is a throwback, he is a rare breed of true back-to-the-basket centers...and Andrew Bogut? lmao...come on, now. Not only is Bynum MUCH better than Bogut, but Bogut is just as injury prone as Bynum, if not more. You woulda been better off sayin Marc Gasol.
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yet they have been dominating at that position?
I like Boguts playing style and has been consisten withholding injuries. Bynum has never had a great season like Bogut did a couple years back in 09-10. I hope and would love Bynum to do great this season because It get's boring seeing Dwight never have competition. I'm just not buying into him being the 2nd coming of shaq after 4 great games.
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not the second coming of shaq...completely different playing style. he is the most traditional star center to enter this league since shaq, though.
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