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Infinite's views on Minstrel Shows
Triple OG Rapsodie:
Sorry but this is one of the most ignorant things I've ever read. And its from a forum member no less. Had to be posted.
--- Quote ---Spike Lee and other "black intellectuals" are always portraying the Slavery era minstrel shows as the ultimate evil in black entertainment. Whenever Spike wants to diss somebody like Tyler Perry or an ignorant rap artist, you will often hear them being compared to Minstrel Shows.
But there is another, hidden truth about Minstrel Shows and slavery that Spike Lee wouldn't very much like to admit. I'm going to point out 2 hidden truths, and open it up for discussion to see what ya'll think about this.
Hidden Truth #1. Minstrel Shows are often portrayed by black intellectuals as a way that whites would make fun of blacks. But they were actually a means in which WHITES ENVIED BLACKS. You have to understand that in that during the slavery era the church played a huge role in society. And life was not easy for white people. Whites worked very hard, and the church instructed them that idle time spent was evil and the work of the devil. Whites, ironically, envied blacks for their time spent in leisure, for their music, for their dance, for their sexual promiscuity, for their humor, for their FREEDOMS. Often, the only acceptable way for them to experience this was vicariously through the black-face minstrel shows.
Hidden Truth #2. Now the reason that "black intellectuals" don't like Minstrel Shows is they believe they portray stereotypes. Also, black intellectuals don't like to admit that many slaves spoke positively of their lives as a slave, and the larger percentage of freed slaves after the civil war chose to stay on the plantation, and even longed for the days of slavery. Black intellectuals don't like to admit this because they believe it depicts blacks as being inferior. See, black intellectuals like Spike Lee are focused primarily on BLACK POWER, so they fail to see that often life and lifestyles of whites in the slave era were MISERABLE, and that whites actually envied the joys of black life and the freedoms that black slaves had. Blacks had less responsibilities, and without an economic incentive, slaves would have their necessities taken care of whether or not they worked in sincerity. While whites and free blacks constantly worried over keeping a warm home and food on the table.
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Sami:
That's not just ignorant, it's grossly inaccurate when compared to the historical reality and blatantly racist IMHO.
Slaves worked constantly, treated as pack animals and they often faced substandard living conditions with the threat of death at any moment because their master just felt like killing them. They faced their families being chosen for them even if they were already married and their kids would be sold off as soon as they were ready for work.
They would be killed if they were perceived as having reading skills, leadership traits or any other attributes that threatened their owners.
They faced constant fear of torture and murder while held against their will.
No one envies that ever.
And that doesn't even cover Slavery Lite aka Jim Crow and the persistent state-approved terrorism from 1865-1975.
Don't go here Infinite, I'm a History major.
Sami:
Now that I think about it this is even more racist than I first thought because the subtext is that blacks are talented musically because they are lazy and whites envied their laziness and that the lazy blacks are stupid and dependent on whites and that whites are the real victims.
That's BS though and he knows it.
Not_anunikke:
Seeing how it's infinite you shouldn't look at the words but the person writing them.
Infinite is a deadbeat dead who has neglected his child, this means he can't handle responsibility.
Now what didn't the slaves have? indeed, responsibilities. Their work was tough and painful but they didn't have to think and take responsibility which as we now know, infinite isn't good with.
From this simple comparison we can conclude that infinite thinks slaves had it better because they didn't have any responsibility.
TraceOneInfinite:
You drew the wrong conclusions from my words. I wasn't making an overall statement in support of slavery or saying that blacks had it better than whites. I was simply pointing out the few areas in which whites privately and secretly envied blacks, and what really lead whites to turn out in such large numbers to see their favorite guilty pleasure of the time which was Minstrel Shows.
--- Quote from: Sami on March 08, 2011, 01:59:13 PM ---
Slaves worked constantly
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Whites and free blacks in the North also worked constantly, 14-16 hour days in the North, 6 days a week. It's well documented blacks in the South actually had to work HARDER in the years that followed Emancipation then when they were slaves and provided for daily by their owner
--- Quote from: Sami on March 08, 2011, 01:59:13 PM ---
they often faced substandard living conditions with the threat of death at any moment because their master just felt like killing them.
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LOL... you dumbass, do you know how expensive slaves were? How logical would be for somebody to just kill off their prize possession on a whim? The slightest understanding of basic economics would have kept you from making such a stupid statement.
--- Quote from: Sami on March 08, 2011, 01:59:13 PM ---
They faced their families being chosen for them even if they were already married and their kids would be sold off as soon as they were ready for work.
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White families were broken up even more often then black families in those times. For whites it was out of poverty, the father would have to move away to find employment or land, and the kids were conscripted in the army to fight and die in the steady stream of wars that went on at that time.
And blacks may have been forced away from families and onto a plantation, but after that they were free sexually to have sex with whomever they chose. Actually black women had more freedom then white women in that regard as it was legal for black women to get divorced, commit fornication, and even adultery; whereas white women were considered the property of their husband and could be raped every night of their live without any judicial recourse under the law.
--- Quote from: Sami on March 08, 2011, 01:59:13 PM ---
They would be killed if they were perceived as having reading skills, leadership traits or any other attributes that threatened their owners.
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Killed? LOL... you dumbass, do you know how expensive slaves were? How logical would be for somebody to just kill off their prize possession on a whim? The slightest understanding of basic economics would have kept you from making such a stupid statement.
--- Quote from: Sami on March 08, 2011, 01:59:13 PM ---
They faced constant fear of torture and murder while held against their will.
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As for torture... Corporal Punishment was the order of the day in those times all over the world. If you did something against the State in those times, you got your ass beat, that was the way it was all over the world. Parents would even beat the shit out of their own children in those times for looking sideways. No doubt, slaves often got the worst of it, but MURDER??? WHAT...Murder? LOL... you dumbass, do you know how expensive slaves were? How logical would be for somebody to just kill off their prize possession on a whim? The slightest understanding of basic economics would have kept you from making such a stupid statement.
--- Quote from: Sami on March 08, 2011, 01:59:13 PM ---
No one envies that ever.
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No one envies torture, but they do envy forms of expression that were unknown and not allowed for the White Christian nation in that era, sexual freedoms, song, dance, and the like were social and legal No No's for whites in that era. And whites in the North weren't guaranteed 3 hots and a cots, and blacks after slavery found they had more work, responsibilities, and stresses after slavery than before it. Statistics and historical accounts from slaves prove this.
--- Quote from: Sami on March 08, 2011, 01:59:13 PM ---
Don't go here Infinite, I'm a History major.
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Yes, you are a fine upstanding citizen. You've been trained well in your government schools, and I see that you have watched the plagiarized novel Roots. Congratulations, you have been lied to.
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