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Phil Jackson: "Kobe has patterned himself after Michael......he is not michael"
TraceOneInfinite:
--- Quote from: teecee on March 15, 2011, 05:37:56 PM ---
Second, PJ, who has coached both for many years, clearly has a good idea who is better, and he says it here (as he has before), although in a politically correct way.
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Where's the link?
.:DaYg0sTyLz:.:
--- Quote from: teecee on March 15, 2011, 05:37:56 PM ---Still, Kobe is the CLOSEST one, which is an incredible feat in itself, and should be good enough for Kobe stans/fans
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Kobe is the closest thing to MJ, but not the closest thing to the greatest player of all time. People always use MJ as the measuring stick. Unfortunately, the only players who will ever get compared to him are perimeter players. The league likes to build up perimeter guys rather than bigmen. Which is why the debate over who is the best player in the world, is always limited to perimeter guys. Kobe might be the closest thing to MJ because of his style of play, but up until this last championship, it was difficult to find many experts who had him ranked in the top 10 all time.
7even:
--- Quote from: teecee on March 15, 2011, 05:37:56 PM ---First, Kobe's outside shooting is overly applauded. Its not like he shoots a GREAT percentage from three, but it is better than MJ.
Second, PJ, who has coached both for many years, clearly has a good idea who is better, and he says it here (as he has before), although in a politically correct way.
Frankly, I think Phil is trying to help Kobe; its almost unfair that he is compared to MJ when Jordan is clearly that much better. 3 more championships will not make Kobe better, and Jackson knows this.
The ONLY thing Kobe has on MJ is 3 pt shooting, and even then he isn't a GREAT 3 point shooter. So I've always wondered why this is even debated. Kobe fan propaganda has fuelled this i suspect.
Still, Kobe is the CLOSEST one, which is an incredible feat in itself, and should be good enough for Kobe stans/fans
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Yeah it really is annoying how some people act as if Kobe was as good as Ray Allen from the 3 point line... when the fact is that even LeBron has been BETTER last season. And LeBron is far from a "great" 3 pt shooter. He was BETTER than Kobe last season - fact.
OG Hack Wilson:
--- Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on March 15, 2011, 07:41:40 PM ---
--- Quote from: teecee on March 15, 2011, 05:37:56 PM ---Still, Kobe is the CLOSEST one, which is an incredible feat in itself, and should be good enough for Kobe stans/fans
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Kobe is the closest thing to MJ, but not the closest thing to the greatest player of all time. People always use MJ as the measuring stick. Unfortunately, the only players who will ever get compared to him are perimeter players. The league likes to build up perimeter guys rather than bigmen. Which is why the debate over who is the best player in the world, is always limited to perimeter guys. Kobe might be the closest thing to MJ because of his style of play, but up until this last championship, it was difficult to find many experts who had him ranked in the top 10 all time.
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the best players ever (at this very moment)
Bill Russell (11 rings, 5 MVP's....and he had to do it over Wilt. nobody touching this guy)
Michael Jordan
Larry Bird
Oscar Charleston
Wilt Chamberlain
Magic Johnson
Kareem Abdoul Jabbar
Shaq
Hakeem
Dr. J
Kevin Garnett
Tim Duncan
Karl Malone
Jerry West
John Stockton (I'll put him over Kobe because of all the games he had 13+ assists which equals Kobe's scoring average)
Kobe
Lebron
Barkley
Ewing
McHale
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--- Quote from: r.i.p. лate dogg on March 16, 2011, 12:51:50 PM ---
--- Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on March 15, 2011, 07:41:40 PM ---
--- Quote from: teecee on March 15, 2011, 05:37:56 PM ---Still, Kobe is the CLOSEST one, which is an incredible feat in itself, and should be good enough for Kobe stans/fans
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Kobe is the closest thing to MJ, but not the closest thing to the greatest player of all time. People always use MJ as the measuring stick. Unfortunately, the only players who will ever get compared to him are perimeter players. The league likes to build up perimeter guys rather than bigmen. Which is why the debate over who is the best player in the world, is always limited to perimeter guys. Kobe might be the closest thing to MJ because of his style of play, but up until this last championship, it was difficult to find many experts who had him ranked in the top 10 all time.
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the best players ever (at this very moment)
Bill Russell (11 rings, 5 MVP's....and he had to do it over Wilt. nobody touching this guy)
Michael Jordan
Larry Bird
Oscar Charleston
Wilt Chamberlain
Magic Johnson
Kareem Abdoul Jabbar
Shaq
Hakeem
Dr. J
Kevin Garnett
Tim Duncan
Karl Malone
Jerry West
John Stockton (I'll put him over Kobe because of all the games he had 13+ assists which equals Kobe's scoring average)
Kobe
Lebron
Barkley
Ewing
McHale
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lol
When you show so much Celtic bias, it makes your whole list look like bullshit man. For one, no one consideres Jordan #2 lol. Also, Bird and Magic are typically only one spot away from eachother. I have seen far more lists that have Magic ahead of Bird though. But it could be argued either way. Garnett above Duncan is absolutely fuckin amazing lol. I have never seen that. Duncan is widely considered the greatest PF of all time, ahead of Malone and Barkley. Those two are typically ranked ahead of Garnett. So you having Garnett so high is ridiculous. Mchale was good, but belongs NOwhere near this list. Neither does Ewing. Robinson was a far better player than Ewing, but I would be fine with someone leaving him off this list too. LeBron might get here eventually, but right now...no.
My post wasnt to take a shot at Kobe. Just to show how misleading it is to say "Kobe is the closest thing to MJ". I would say that now, Kobe could be considered top 10 all time. Where in the top ten, im not sure. Definitely not top 5...but somewhere between 6 and 10. Clearly the best players from this generation have been Shaq, Duncan, and Kobe. All three should be top ten I think, and all three between 6 and 10. Lebron could get up there when its all said and done, but he would be considered the generation after Shaq, Duncan, and Kobe.
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