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Oscar Charleston
Quote from: r.i.p. лate dogg on March 16, 2011, 12:51:50 PMOscar CharlestonDude managed a hell of a team to almost 100 wins and batted over .350 the same year, but what the fuck is he doing on a top 5 NBA list?
First, Kobe's outside shooting is overly applauded. Its not like he shoots a GREAT percentage from three, but it is better than MJ.Second, PJ, who has coached both for many years, clearly has a good idea who is better, and he says it here (as he has before), although in a politically correct way.Frankly, I think Phil is trying to help Kobe; its almost unfair that he is compared to MJ when Jordan is clearly that much better. 3 more championships will not make Kobe better, and Jackson knows this.The ONLY thing Kobe has on MJ is 3 pt shooting, and even then he isn't a GREAT 3 point shooter. So I've always wondered why this is even debated. Kobe fan propaganda has fuelled this i suspect.Still, Kobe is the CLOSEST one, which is an incredible feat in itself, and should be good enough for Kobe stans/fans
Quote from: r.i.p. лate dogg on March 16, 2011, 12:51:50 PMQuote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on March 15, 2011, 07:41:40 PMQuote from: teecee on March 15, 2011, 05:37:56 PMStill, Kobe is the CLOSEST one, which is an incredible feat in itself, and should be good enough for Kobe stans/fansKobe is the closest thing to MJ, but not the closest thing to the greatest player of all time. People always use MJ as the measuring stick. Unfortunately, the only players who will ever get compared to him are perimeter players. The league likes to build up perimeter guys rather than bigmen. Which is why the debate over who is the best player in the world, is always limited to perimeter guys. Kobe might be the closest thing to MJ because of his style of play, but up until this last championship, it was difficult to find many experts who had him ranked in the top 10 all time. the best players ever (at this very moment)Bill Russell (11 rings, 5 MVP's....and he had to do it over Wilt. nobody touching this guy)Michael Jordan Larry Bird Oscar CharlestonWilt ChamberlainMagic Johnson Kareem Abdoul JabbarShaqHakeemDr. JKevin GarnettTim DuncanKarl MaloneJerry WestJohn Stockton (I'll put him over Kobe because of all the games he had 13+ assists which equals Kobe's scoring average)KobeLebronBarkleyEwingMcHaleWhen you show so much Celtic bias, it makes your whole list look like bullshit man. For one, no one consideres Jordan #2 lol. Also, Bird and Magic are typically only one spot away from eachother.
Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on March 15, 2011, 07:41:40 PMQuote from: teecee on March 15, 2011, 05:37:56 PMStill, Kobe is the CLOSEST one, which is an incredible feat in itself, and should be good enough for Kobe stans/fansKobe is the closest thing to MJ, but not the closest thing to the greatest player of all time. People always use MJ as the measuring stick. Unfortunately, the only players who will ever get compared to him are perimeter players. The league likes to build up perimeter guys rather than bigmen. Which is why the debate over who is the best player in the world, is always limited to perimeter guys. Kobe might be the closest thing to MJ because of his style of play, but up until this last championship, it was difficult to find many experts who had him ranked in the top 10 all time. the best players ever (at this very moment)Bill Russell (11 rings, 5 MVP's....and he had to do it over Wilt. nobody touching this guy)Michael Jordan Larry Bird Oscar CharlestonWilt ChamberlainMagic Johnson Kareem Abdoul JabbarShaqHakeemDr. JKevin GarnettTim DuncanKarl MaloneJerry WestJohn Stockton (I'll put him over Kobe because of all the games he had 13+ assists which equals Kobe's scoring average)KobeLebronBarkleyEwingMcHale
Quote from: teecee on March 15, 2011, 05:37:56 PMStill, Kobe is the CLOSEST one, which is an incredible feat in itself, and should be good enough for Kobe stans/fansKobe is the closest thing to MJ, but not the closest thing to the greatest player of all time. People always use MJ as the measuring stick. Unfortunately, the only players who will ever get compared to him are perimeter players. The league likes to build up perimeter guys rather than bigmen. Which is why the debate over who is the best player in the world, is always limited to perimeter guys. Kobe might be the closest thing to MJ because of his style of play, but up until this last championship, it was difficult to find many experts who had him ranked in the top 10 all time.
Still, Kobe is the CLOSEST one, which is an incredible feat in itself, and should be good enough for Kobe stans/fans
oh and by the way, how the hell can you argue AGAINST Russell? he dominated Wilt, won 11 rings and 5 MVPs. and he obviously wasn't on some Robert Horry shit with those 11 rings (just incase someone wanted to make that lame arguement)
so you'll downplay him facing Wilt, Jerry West or Oscar's teams?
Jordan > Kobeget over it jew
who gives a fuck, phil says something new every day. he has also gone on record to say that kobe is a greater scorer and better with the ball than jordan. kobe is currently doing it with much less than jordan ever had. he's playin with gasol as a second fiddle, while jordan had pippen for all his title runs. give kobe a sidekick like pippen and lakers win the last 6 titles LOL. also, like infinite mentioned, kobe's shooting percentage is only lower because he has more range. so in essence, this is a plus for kobe. the more range a player has, the lower his percentage is. mj had no three-ball, so he barely shot from outside, while kobe is a great pure shooter. naturally, players who make their living in or around the paint have a higher percentage. amir johnson and deandre jordan dont have a higher shooting percentage than kevin garnett and tim duncan because they're better, they have a higher percentage because they have less range, therefore attempt shots within a limited range. same could be said for the kobe/jordan argument. and kobe doesn't have a go-to move? psssh...turnaround fadeway from the corner, how many times have we seen kobe close games with that shot? come on, now, if thats not a go-to move, i dunno what is. another argument people never mention is the difference in competition from wing players...jordan went through so many mediocre wings. jazz, bulls? come on...his greatest rival at shooting guard was clyde drexler lol. athleticism was not the same back than as it is nowadays. today, the league is dominated by perimeter players, whereas back in the day, there were no lebron's, wade's, melo's, durant's, etc, it was clyde drexler, michael jordan, hersey hawkins, and bryon russell..feel it?