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Phil Jackson: "Kobe has patterned himself after Michael......he is not michael"
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--- Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on March 20, 2011, 09:55:16 AM ---
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--- Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on March 19, 2011, 10:54:53 AM ---
--- Quote from: NIKCC on March 18, 2011, 01:23:12 PM ---So Kobe gets penalized for being part of the greatest 1-2 punch in history? lame argument, dicklickers.
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Thats life. If Lebron wins a title alongside Wade, it wouldnt be viewed as great as it would if he did in Cleveland. Winning three titles as the #2 guy on the team will always be a part of Kobe's legacy, especially considering the fact that they sucked when Shaq left. Like it or not, thats just how it is. Like I said, he IS an all time great. But the bottom line is, he DOES have 2 titles as THE man for his team. He has 3 titles as the sidekick.
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sidekicks don't average around 30 points...it was not a sidekick situation, it was a 1-2 punch, and it was the greatest 1-2 punch in history...discrediting kobe's titles because he played with shaq would be like discrediting magic's titles because he played with kareem. not happenin'.
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Then why does the rest of the world see him as the #2 guy on those teams with Shaq? lol. The rest of the world doesnt see Magic as the #2 guy on his titles with Kareem. They DO with Kobe. Maybe the entire world is wrong, outside of Kobe fans.
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maybe that's because the offense ran through shaq, as a triangle offense traditionally should.....okay, lets flip it around. are you gunna discredit karreem's 5 titles because he got them with magic? most people saw magic as the first option on that team, but that doesn't mean kareem wasn't just as vital. in fact, kareem is considered by most the greatest center of all time...try twistin that one up LOL.
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I wouldnt discredit Kareems titles with Magic, because like most people...I dont see one of the two as being more of a focal point of those teams. There is a bit of a difference when you are looking at a PG anyways. Look at Stockton and Malone. The two arent in competition as to who the focal point is. With Shaq and Kobe, they were both score first guys. Their jobs, offensively, were to put the ball in the basket. Kobe was feeding off of Shaq though. And it has nothing to do with the triangle. That would have been the case in any offense. Shaq gets the ball first, tries to create..if he is doubled (which he was most of the time back then) he kicks it out to an open shooter, a slashing Kobe, etc.
If it makes you feel any better, Robinson is one of the greatest Centers ever. But a title withOUT Duncan would have meant more to his legacy than a title WITH Duncan. True any title is better than none at all. But not all titles are weighed evenly.
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sorry to burst your kobe bashin bubble, blood, but magic been considered the focal point of them laker teams, even moreso than shaq of the threepeat era. in the magic days, it was always magic and the lakers. magic was the one with his picture on the cover and what not. in the threepeat era, it was always kobe AND shaq or shaq AND kobe, never shaq and the lakers. and they were always both publicized TOGETHER, if not, kobe maybe even a little more. point is, if u discredit kobe's titles, u gotta discredit kareems, because he was part of a 1-2 punch, a dynamic duo- NOT a sidekick.
as for shaq creating double teams, don't act like it didn't go both ways. kobe would drive and spoon-feed shaq wide open dunks left and right, if u even watched the lakers in those years. as for d-robinson, that is no comparison...d-robinson was already well out of his prime when he won his title, while kobe was entering his prime when he started winning. awful analogy.
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--- Quote from: Mietek23 on March 20, 2011, 02:17:34 PM ---
--- Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on March 19, 2011, 10:54:53 AM ---
--- Quote from: NIKCC on March 18, 2011, 01:23:12 PM ---So Kobe gets penalized for being part of the greatest 1-2 punch in history? lame argument, dicklickers.
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Thats life. If Lebron wins a title alongside Wade, it wouldnt be viewed as great as it would if he did in Cleveland. Winning three titles as the #2 guy on the team will always be a part of Kobe's legacy, especially considering the fact that they sucked when Shaq left. Like it or not, thats just how it is. Like I said, he IS an all time great. But the bottom line is, he DOES have 2 titles as THE man for his team. He has 3 titles as the sidekick.
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With that being said, Kobe is a great player, the best the game has today and will go off as one of the all time greats BUT like Phil said - HE IS NOT MJ AND NEVER WILL BE. He's unique in his own way but comparing him and everyone else to Jordan is just unfair. If you look at what Michael did on and off the basketball court - it's just ridiculous to compare anyone to him and no matter what Kobe will do in the few more years he's got left, he will always be number 2 behind Mike.. and it's a great accomplish in it's own way - he's the closest one we've seen.
BUT Michael fuckin' Jeffrey Jordan is the G.O.A.T. - point blank.
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i dunno if u watched the videos i posted, but if u did, phil clearly said kobe is more talented than jordan...the perception of the general public is exactly what u said, but that is what nike, the media, and the nba has embedded in everyones brain growing up in the take-off of the marketting era. from a basketball standpoint, kobe has accomplished feats just as amazing as jordan, and even outdid him in certain aspects...so yes, the comparison is still very much there, my dude.
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--- Quote from: wcsoldier on March 20, 2011, 02:57:49 PM ---There are two things than make MJ better than Kobe : shooting efficiency and MJ first three finals are out of this world , Kobe production in the finals has been average ... but this topic didn't really to be discussed for the 14445855544 times
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what about jordan's failed years in the playoffs? LOL. there were years when he wasn't even good enough to make it to the finals, so that is not a fair assessment. jordan never played in a finals series with a soft and inexperienced pau gasol getting punked as a second option, but rather had the best perimeter defender in the league and one of the 50 greatest players of all time playing with him in all 6 of those finals. as for the efficiency, once again, jordan was not capable of shooting the ball from long distances, as he wasn't good from outside, so most of his shots would come from in or around the paint. kobe has more range, thus naturally he shoots a lower percentage. no way jordan would be as efficient as he was in todays perimeter oriented game...not with the way teams are able to double and triple team nowadays, no way. in my opinion, kobe drafted to the bulls in 84 insteada jordan woulda won 8 straight titles (considering his competitive drive and love for basketball is much too strong to retire for baseball).
Chamillitary Click:
LOL. You're reaching with that "lesser of a cast" shit.
Shaq didn't have a complimentary big man. Gasol & Bynum together is as effective, if not more than Shaq in his prime.
Odom arguably could have been the 3rd best player on that three-peat team if he was on it then & Artest is a lovely fit.
Not to mention, you're much deeper off the bench.
Enough excuses, son.
.:DaYg0sTyLz:.:
--- Quote from: Mietek23 on March 20, 2011, 02:17:34 PM ---
--- Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on March 19, 2011, 10:54:53 AM ---
--- Quote from: NIKCC on March 18, 2011, 01:23:12 PM ---So Kobe gets penalized for being part of the greatest 1-2 punch in history? lame argument, dicklickers.
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Thats life. If Lebron wins a title alongside Wade, it wouldnt be viewed as great as it would if he did in Cleveland. Winning three titles as the #2 guy on the team will always be a part of Kobe's legacy, especially considering the fact that they sucked when Shaq left. Like it or not, thats just how it is. Like I said, he IS an all time great. But the bottom line is, he DOES have 2 titles as THE man for his team. He has 3 titles as the sidekick.
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With that being said, Kobe is a great player, the best the game has today and will go off as one of the all time greats BUT like Phil said - HE IS NOT MJ AND NEVER WILL BE. He's unique in his own way but comparing him and everyone else to Jordan is just unfair. If you look at what Michael did on and off the basketball court - it's just ridiculous to compare anyone to him and no matter what Kobe will do in the few more years he's got left, he will always be number 2 behind Mike.. and it's a great accomplish in it's own way - he's the closest one we've seen.
BUT Michael fuckin' Jeffrey Jordan is the G.O.A.T. - point blank.
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Kobe wont be considered #2 behind Jordan. I doubt Kobe is going to pass up Bill Russell, etc on the all time list lol. Again, Kobe is compared to Jordan because of his style of play...not necessarily the content of it. There have been times since Jordan left where the best player in the league was a bigman, but they are never compared to Jordan because they are bigs. So Kobe might end his career as the #2 SG behind Jordan, but not the #2 player.
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