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Phil Jackson: "Kobe has patterned himself after Michael......he is not michael"
Sccit:
--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click on March 20, 2011, 06:26:51 PM ---
--- Quote from: NIKCC on March 20, 2011, 05:01:32 PM ---
--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click on March 20, 2011, 03:35:13 PM ---LOL. You're reaching with that "lesser of a cast" shit.
Shaq didn't have a complimentary big man. Gasol & Bynum together is as effective, if not more than Shaq in his prime.
Odom arguably could have been the 3rd best player on that three-peat team if he was on it then & Artest is a lovely fit.
Not to mention, you're much deeper off the bench.
Enough excuses, son.
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come on, idiot, kobe is clearly playing with less of a cast than jordan did, and it's not even up for debate. the bulls minus jordan were a 55 win team. pippen was considered by many the 2nd best player in the league for some time while he played with jordan. you gotta be a total dumbshit to compare kobe's current cast to that of jordan's.
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No, no, no. A few posts up you compared "Kobe's current cast" to his cast with Shaq. I'm talking about that.
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no...no, i didn't...and even if, the laker threepeat team is one of the greatest teams ever assembled in sports, so not many teams can compare to them, regardless.
Sccit:
--- Quote from: Shallow on March 20, 2011, 06:44:04 PM ---
--- Quote from: NIKCC on March 20, 2011, 03:07:40 PM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on March 20, 2011, 05:41:41 AM ---
--- Quote from: NIKCC on March 19, 2011, 12:15:16 PM ---
kobe was 20-22 in those 3peat years....there's no way magic, jordan, or bird would have done any better at that age. at that age, jordan, magic, and bird were still in college. what kobe was doing at that age was unheard of. in fact, one can go ahead and say that if shaq were replaced by kareem, hakeem, or wilt, kobe woulda won more titles during those years. argument can go either way, but it doesn't help to sit here and wonder "what if"...trust me, if you followed the lakers during those years, you would know just how special kobe's talent was, even in his younger days, and how vital that talent was to any success the lakers had.
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I don't think more titles but maybe just as many, but those 3 Centers would have been the leaders on that team.
And what Larry did in that last year of college and that first year on the Celtics Kobe wasn't able to do until very recently. Fuck numbers, I could get in that all day with my QB debates, this is about being able to carry guys that wouldn't even know what playoffs were if anyone else was on that team. Not Jordan, not Magic, not fucking Ben Hur, could have taken that 79/80 Celtics to the playoffs in their rookie years. I wonder if they could have even done it in their prime. Had Larry started with Kareem, and Magic with a bunch of scrubs (no McHale or Parrish yet) there may not have even been much a rivalry.
I'll debate Magic vs Larry as players, but not as leaders. And that first year Celtic team needed a better leader than player.
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LMAO...I don't think you realize that Magic, as a rookie, won the title without Kareem. when Kareem went down with an injury, Magic started the title game for the Lakers at CENTER, as a muthafuckin rookie...i'm sorry, but nothing Larry Legend did in his rookie year could rival that, no matter how hard u sit there and try pushing "Larry>Magic"...Magic was an amazing player, as was Bird, but Magic was able to do things Larry could only dream of.
still, neither Magic nor Bird were able to threepeate...Kobe is on the verge of doing it for a second time, with a lesser supporting cast.
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Yeah but they were still up 3-2 in the finals with Kareem. Being greater in his rookie season in one game doesn't make it a better season. And still even with out Kareem the Lakers were way better than the Celtics (with out Larry). It's very simple, the 80 Lakers with out Magic still make the playoffs, the 79/80 Celtics do not, with out Larry.
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you act like making the playoffs is some amazing feat LOL. brandon jennings led his team to the playoffs as a rookie last year...if larry won a title as a rookie, different story, but as it is, he definitely didn't do anything in his rookie season that puts him above magic.
Shallow:
--- Quote from: NIKCC on March 20, 2011, 10:33:58 PM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on March 20, 2011, 06:44:04 PM ---
--- Quote from: NIKCC on March 20, 2011, 03:07:40 PM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on March 20, 2011, 05:41:41 AM ---
--- Quote from: NIKCC on March 19, 2011, 12:15:16 PM ---
kobe was 20-22 in those 3peat years....there's no way magic, jordan, or bird would have done any better at that age. at that age, jordan, magic, and bird were still in college. what kobe was doing at that age was unheard of. in fact, one can go ahead and say that if shaq were replaced by kareem, hakeem, or wilt, kobe woulda won more titles during those years. argument can go either way, but it doesn't help to sit here and wonder "what if"...trust me, if you followed the lakers during those years, you would know just how special kobe's talent was, even in his younger days, and how vital that talent was to any success the lakers had.
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I don't think more titles but maybe just as many, but those 3 Centers would have been the leaders on that team.
And what Larry did in that last year of college and that first year on the Celtics Kobe wasn't able to do until very recently. Fuck numbers, I could get in that all day with my QB debates, this is about being able to carry guys that wouldn't even know what playoffs were if anyone else was on that team. Not Jordan, not Magic, not fucking Ben Hur, could have taken that 79/80 Celtics to the playoffs in their rookie years. I wonder if they could have even done it in their prime. Had Larry started with Kareem, and Magic with a bunch of scrubs (no McHale or Parrish yet) there may not have even been much a rivalry.
I'll debate Magic vs Larry as players, but not as leaders. And that first year Celtic team needed a better leader than player.
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LMAO...I don't think you realize that Magic, as a rookie, won the title without Kareem. when Kareem went down with an injury, Magic started the title game for the Lakers at CENTER, as a muthafuckin rookie...i'm sorry, but nothing Larry Legend did in his rookie year could rival that, no matter how hard u sit there and try pushing "Larry>Magic"...Magic was an amazing player, as was Bird, but Magic was able to do things Larry could only dream of.
still, neither Magic nor Bird were able to threepeate...Kobe is on the verge of doing it for a second time, with a lesser supporting cast.
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Yeah but they were still up 3-2 in the finals with Kareem. Being greater in his rookie season in one game doesn't make it a better season. And still even with out Kareem the Lakers were way better than the Celtics (with out Larry). It's very simple, the 80 Lakers with out Magic still make the playoffs, the 79/80 Celtics do not, with out Larry.
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you act like making the playoffs is some amazing feat LOL. brandon jennings led his team to the playoffs as a rookie last year...if larry won a title as a rookie, different story, but as it is, he definitely didn't do anything in his rookie season that puts him above magic.
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If Larry as a rookie was the only rookie in league history that could have taken that 79/80 squad, to not only the playoffs, but the conference finals then yeah it is some amazing feat. But that's all speculation.
What isn't isn't speculation is winning the rookie of the year award. And who was the MVP that year again? Oh, yeah the guy Magic got to play with all year. It's very simple, if Kareem had been on Boston in 79/80 instead of LA, Larry would have started out his career with a ring. If you think anything else I will not respond to any of your posts ever again. I promise.
teecee:
NIK, you dug up old posts to call me out or win or whatever the fuck; if I had time I'd do the same but its all good.
My point was that because Kobe will NEVER EVER be able to compete with MJ stats wise (except for games and seasons played), the only way he has a chance in hell of being as good as MJ is with playoff success. And yes, he has 5 rings, so good on Kobe. Even now, with two MVP's in playoffs (to MJ's six), its not really that logical to put Kobe up with MJ. Kobe is top 10 all time definitely, and second best shooting guard ever.
Kobe is not Michael as he has more flaws in his game (decision making/bball sense being the biggest) but he is fucking good.
Sccit:
--- Quote from: Shallow on March 21, 2011, 04:02:23 PM ---
--- Quote from: NIKCC on March 20, 2011, 10:33:58 PM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on March 20, 2011, 06:44:04 PM ---
--- Quote from: NIKCC on March 20, 2011, 03:07:40 PM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on March 20, 2011, 05:41:41 AM ---
--- Quote from: NIKCC on March 19, 2011, 12:15:16 PM ---
kobe was 20-22 in those 3peat years....there's no way magic, jordan, or bird would have done any better at that age. at that age, jordan, magic, and bird were still in college. what kobe was doing at that age was unheard of. in fact, one can go ahead and say that if shaq were replaced by kareem, hakeem, or wilt, kobe woulda won more titles during those years. argument can go either way, but it doesn't help to sit here and wonder "what if"...trust me, if you followed the lakers during those years, you would know just how special kobe's talent was, even in his younger days, and how vital that talent was to any success the lakers had.
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I don't think more titles but maybe just as many, but those 3 Centers would have been the leaders on that team.
And what Larry did in that last year of college and that first year on the Celtics Kobe wasn't able to do until very recently. Fuck numbers, I could get in that all day with my QB debates, this is about being able to carry guys that wouldn't even know what playoffs were if anyone else was on that team. Not Jordan, not Magic, not fucking Ben Hur, could have taken that 79/80 Celtics to the playoffs in their rookie years. I wonder if they could have even done it in their prime. Had Larry started with Kareem, and Magic with a bunch of scrubs (no McHale or Parrish yet) there may not have even been much a rivalry.
I'll debate Magic vs Larry as players, but not as leaders. And that first year Celtic team needed a better leader than player.
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LMAO...I don't think you realize that Magic, as a rookie, won the title without Kareem. when Kareem went down with an injury, Magic started the title game for the Lakers at CENTER, as a muthafuckin rookie...i'm sorry, but nothing Larry Legend did in his rookie year could rival that, no matter how hard u sit there and try pushing "Larry>Magic"...Magic was an amazing player, as was Bird, but Magic was able to do things Larry could only dream of.
still, neither Magic nor Bird were able to threepeate...Kobe is on the verge of doing it for a second time, with a lesser supporting cast.
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Yeah but they were still up 3-2 in the finals with Kareem. Being greater in his rookie season in one game doesn't make it a better season. And still even with out Kareem the Lakers were way better than the Celtics (with out Larry). It's very simple, the 80 Lakers with out Magic still make the playoffs, the 79/80 Celtics do not, with out Larry.
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you act like making the playoffs is some amazing feat LOL. brandon jennings led his team to the playoffs as a rookie last year...if larry won a title as a rookie, different story, but as it is, he definitely didn't do anything in his rookie season that puts him above magic.
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If Larry as a rookie was the only rookie in league history that could have taken that 79/80 squad, to not only the playoffs, but the conference finals then yeah it is some amazing feat. But that's all speculation.
What isn't isn't speculation is winning the rookie of the year award. And who was the MVP that year again? Oh, yeah the guy Magic got to play with all year. It's very simple, if Kareem had been on Boston in 79/80 instead of LA, Larry would have started out his career with a ring. If you think anything else I will not respond to any of your posts ever again. I promise.
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LOL..who cares. lets disclude that first title year.. when Bird got his cast, it was still Magic who came out on top with 4 titles to Larry's 3 (even with a career shortened due to aids). Magic was simply the better overall player. not to say that Bird wasn't up there, cuz he was, but my preference would most definitely be Magic over Bird.
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