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Best CENTER FIELDER of all time???
OG Hack Wilson:
--- Quote from: Prodigal Son on April 04, 2011, 06:35:50 PM ---
--- Quote from: "THE" MoSav on April 03, 2011, 11:55:19 AM ---Willie Mays, i dont think this can be debated
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Actually it's incredibly debatable. Mantle had a higher career OPS and OPS+ and that is probably the worst way to gauge a players offensive value And Willie's best seasons offensive seasons don't match up to Mantle's. Mays best OPS+ during his career was a 184, Mantle posted higher than that in 5 different seasons, including three seasons over 200. Now defensively Mantle was no slouch in field but Mays was arguably the best ever. I won't hold Mays lack of playoff success against him because it's a very small sample size and if he had as many AB's in the playoffs as Mantle, his stats would most likely come closer to his career lines. IMO Mantle was the better offensive player but Mays was a much better defensive player. With that said, if I were to choose I would still probably go with Mays but it is much closer then most people think.
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OPS+ is a great stat for sluggers, and a horrible stat for "small ball" guys
and Mantle > Mays for sure. May's defense doesn't make up for Manlte'e offense
Javier:
--- Quote from: Rondo Power on April 08, 2011, 06:11:09 PM ---
--- Quote from: Prodigal Son on April 04, 2011, 06:35:50 PM ---
--- Quote from: "THE" MoSav on April 03, 2011, 11:55:19 AM ---Willie Mays, i dont think this can be debated
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Actually it's incredibly debatable. Mantle had a higher career OPS and OPS+ and that is probably the worst way to gauge a players offensive value And Willie's best seasons offensive seasons don't match up to Mantle's. Mays best OPS+ during his career was a 184, Mantle posted higher than that in 5 different seasons, including three seasons over 200. Now defensively Mantle was no slouch in field but Mays was arguably the best ever. I won't hold Mays lack of playoff success against him because it's a very small sample size and if he had as many AB's in the playoffs as Mantle, his stats would most likely come closer to his career lines. IMO Mantle was the better offensive player but Mays was a much better defensive player. With that said, if I were to choose I would still probably go with Mays but it is much closer then most people think.
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OPS+ is a great stat for sluggers, and a horrible stat for "small ball" guys
and Mantle > Mays for sure. May's defense doesn't make up for Manlte'e offense
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OPS+ is also a great stat for "small ball" guys.
OG Hack Wilson:
not really
OPS+ would have to believe that Adam Dunn is a better player than Ichiro Suzuki
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that is simply not the case, but OPS+ does nothing to take into account stolen bases, singles-stretched-into-doubles, doubles-extended-into-triples etc
now i suppose if you were JUST to focus on the hitting aspect alone (and not the complete offensive package) then yes.
Javier:
I didn't say it's the only way to look at a baseball player though. I just said that it's also good for these small ball guys. Why? Well, because OBP is taking into consideration as well in OPS.
OG Hack Wilson:
--- Quote from: Javier on April 08, 2011, 07:05:02 PM ---I didn't say it's the only way to look at a baseball player though. I just said that it's also good for these small ball guys. Why? Well, because OBP is taking into consideration as well in OPS.
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OPS is worthless.
OPS+takes into account how other guys are doing that year.
in 1911 and 1930 for example, MLB offense was at an all time high. having a .900 OPS didn't mean NEARLY as much as it did the years prior.
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