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Quote from: Russell Bell on April 11, 2011, 05:26:05 PMYes, but: number of blacks who voted for him cause he's black = majority (how many black republicans do you know??) number of people who didn't vote for him cause he's black = minorityYou are waaaaaaaay overestimating the number of white people (or people in general) who voted against him cause he's black. Most that voted against him that I know did so because they are Republicans. Of course there was a lot, but to say number of whites who voted against him cause of his skin color is so high is not an accurate representation of mainstream society. The Reverand Jesse Jackson would agree with you I'm sure lol. Either way you look at it, the race card helped him, it didn't hurt him. White guilt these days is at an all time high.True that. Like I posted, he won more white voters than Kerry did.
Yes, but: number of blacks who voted for him cause he's black = majority (how many black republicans do you know??) number of people who didn't vote for him cause he's black = minorityYou are waaaaaaaay overestimating the number of white people (or people in general) who voted against him cause he's black. Most that voted against him that I know did so because they are Republicans. Of course there was a lot, but to say number of whites who voted against him cause of his skin color is so high is not an accurate representation of mainstream society. The Reverand Jesse Jackson would agree with you I'm sure lol. Either way you look at it, the race card helped him, it didn't hurt him. White guilt these days is at an all time high.
Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on April 11, 2011, 05:55:42 PMQuote from: Russell Bell on April 11, 2011, 05:26:05 PMYes, but: number of blacks who voted for him cause he's black = majority (how many black republicans do you know??) number of people who didn't vote for him cause he's black = minorityYou are waaaaaaaay overestimating the number of white people (or people in general) who voted against him cause he's black. Most that voted against him that I know did so because they are Republicans. Of course there was a lot, but to say number of whites who voted against him cause of his skin color is so high is not an accurate representation of mainstream society. The Reverand Jesse Jackson would agree with you I'm sure lol. Either way you look at it, the race card helped him, it didn't hurt him. White guilt these days is at an all time high.lol are you kidding me? If you dont realize that racism is alive and well still in this country, youre completely insane. Im not saying things arent better than before, but there are still problems. This election showed the best and the worst in a lot of people. Whites for example. It showed that there are plenty of White people that are willing to vote for a Black candidate. Thats a good thing. It also showed that there are still plenty of Whites that would NOT be willing to vote for a Black president. There are TONS of White people (an other races) who allowed race to influence their vote on this last election. White guilt wouldnt keep them from voting against Obama, it just kept them from saying it publicly. They far outweigh the extra 7% of Black vote that Obama got over Kerry. With the millions and millions of rednecks in this country, you dont think they were voting for ANYONE who would run against a Black man? He became President in spite of being Black, not because of it. Bush's reign of terror helped out alot too though. It's hard to say. How many of those rednecks simply voted against him because they are Republicans? It would be interesting to see a black Republican and white Democrat run for president.
Quote from: Russell Bell on April 11, 2011, 05:26:05 PMYes, but: number of blacks who voted for him cause he's black = majority (how many black republicans do you know??) number of people who didn't vote for him cause he's black = minorityYou are waaaaaaaay overestimating the number of white people (or people in general) who voted against him cause he's black. Most that voted against him that I know did so because they are Republicans. Of course there was a lot, but to say number of whites who voted against him cause of his skin color is so high is not an accurate representation of mainstream society. The Reverand Jesse Jackson would agree with you I'm sure lol. Either way you look at it, the race card helped him, it didn't hurt him. White guilt these days is at an all time high.lol are you kidding me? If you dont realize that racism is alive and well still in this country, youre completely insane. Im not saying things arent better than before, but there are still problems. This election showed the best and the worst in a lot of people. Whites for example. It showed that there are plenty of White people that are willing to vote for a Black candidate. Thats a good thing. It also showed that there are still plenty of Whites that would NOT be willing to vote for a Black president. There are TONS of White people (an other races) who allowed race to influence their vote on this last election. White guilt wouldnt keep them from voting against Obama, it just kept them from saying it publicly. They far outweigh the extra 7% of Black vote that Obama got over Kerry. With the millions and millions of rednecks in this country, you dont think they were voting for ANYONE who would run against a Black man? He became President in spite of being Black, not because of it. Bush's reign of terror helped out alot too though.
All I'm saying is that being black helped with the black vote more than it hurt with the white vote. As I pointed out, he managed to get more of the white vote than Kerry. Even if you explain this by saying Obama was more charismatic or appealing, or that Bush was a stronger candidate than McCain, white people were definitely willing to vote for him. Most of the white racist would vote Republican anyways. That's why it would be interesting to see a black Republican vs. a white Democrat. What would the rednecks and black people do? Both groups would feel like their vote wasn't right no matter which candidate they picked.
Go to a school anywhere in California and see how many Mexicans can get away with saying "white boy" in a derogatory way, then see what happens to the kid who says "spic".
Quote from: Russell Bell on April 11, 2011, 06:11:32 PMGo to a school anywhere in California and see how many Mexicans can get away with saying "white boy" in a derogatory way, then see what happens to the kid who says "spic".Its the price to be paid for living in a society where Whites are still on top. I'm sure any minority group out there would trade in their ability to call a white guy a "white boy", in exchange for running the country
"White boy" and "nigger" are nowhere close to being of equal disrespect. Come on now. "Check out this fucking white boy""Check out this fucking nigger"LOL huge difference.
Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on April 12, 2011, 12:30:12 PMQuote from: Russell Bell on April 11, 2011, 06:11:32 PMGo to a school anywhere in California and see how many Mexicans can get away with saying "white boy" in a derogatory way, then see what happens to the kid who says "spic".Its the price to be paid for living in a society where Whites are still on top. I'm sure any minority group out there would trade in their ability to call a white guy a "white boy", in exchange for running the countryOr maybe white people would simply have to got through hell on earth in a society in which white people are a poor, powerless minority.
Quote from: 7even on April 14, 2011, 09:42:09 AMQuote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on April 12, 2011, 12:30:12 PMQuote from: Russell Bell on April 11, 2011, 06:11:32 PMGo to a school anywhere in California and see how many Mexicans can get away with saying "white boy" in a derogatory way, then see what happens to the kid who says "spic".Its the price to be paid for living in a society where Whites are still on top. I'm sure any minority group out there would trade in their ability to call a white guy a "white boy", in exchange for running the countryOr maybe white people would simply have to got through hell on earth in a society in which white people are a poor, powerless minority.Lol. They did. First and Second wave immigration to the US. The irish built many of the highways and infastructure because it was such a dangerous job and got paid shit for it, and experienced often violent discrimination from "natives". Shows their position in society pretty well. Just one example. Theres many more.
Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on April 09, 2011, 10:26:39 AMYou can say the more the government does, the more they fuck up. Another could say the more fucked up Americans are, the more the government has to do.And that's exactly the problem. If the government fails at war in Afghanistan, then they say we have to stay longer and waste more money. If the government fails in medicaid and medicare, then they say we have to waste more money and expand it to Universal healthcare; if the government fails in education, then they say we need more money to support failing schools... this is the exact opposite from the free market. In the free market you have to give results or your business will fail and people won't support you. But we are forced to support the government, follow their laws, and pay their taxes no matter how often they fail. Look at Enron for example. When Enron fucked up, it didn't mean shit to me, because I was never forced to deal with Enron. But when the war on drugs fucked up, I am still forced to fund it in taxes, and I still have to rearrange my life to get around their marijuana laws. Get what I'm sayin?
You can say the more the government does, the more they fuck up. Another could say the more fucked up Americans are, the more the government has to do.
The education system, medicade, etc. aren't business models. Their purpose isn't to make anyone money. They are here as basic necessities that everyone should have a right to. If your business idea fails and you don't make a ton of money, too bad for you. Its not a big deal to the rest of the country. But why in the blue hell would you be arguing against people being given the basic right to live and the chance to survive in this world?
Quote from: SPICE TWO on April 14, 2011, 02:34:03 PMThe education system, medicade, etc. aren't business models. Their purpose isn't to make anyone money. They are here as basic necessities that everyone should have a right to. If your business idea fails and you don't make a ton of money, too bad for you. Its not a big deal to the rest of the country. But why in the blue hell would you be arguing against people being given the basic right to live and the chance to survive in this world?This I don't get. How is medicare a right? Liberty is a right. Being taxed and than given substandard healthcare assistance isn't. It's helpful, and in this nanny state the USA is becoming, pretty necessary, but it is in no way a right.