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Regardless of how u feel... Obama has done more than any Official in history
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--- Quote from: Russell Bell on April 11, 2011, 05:26:05 PM ---Yes, but: number of blacks who voted for him cause he's black = majority (how many black republicans do you know??)
number of people who didn't vote for him cause he's black = minority
You are waaaaaaaay overestimating the number of white people (or people in general) who voted against him cause he's black. Most that voted against him that I know did so because they are Republicans. Of course there was a lot, but to say number of whites who voted against him cause of his skin color is so high is not an accurate representation of mainstream society. The Reverand Jesse Jackson would agree with you I'm sure lol. Either way you look at it, the race card helped him, it didn't hurt him. White guilt these days is at an all time high.
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True that. Like I posted, he won more white voters than Kerry did.
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So you think White people voted for him because he is Black?? I dont see how that makes sense. I think White people who voted for him, were voting for some sort of change. Not because he is Black. We just got through with Bush...the last thing people wanted, was another Bush. If there was anything that helped him, it would be the fact that he was seen as young, cool, in touch with the younger generation, etc. But not being Black itself. Like I said, there is a lot of hidden racism in people that they will never reveal in public or to a camera. But it is there. No doubt. Im not Black, but my girl is, and my daughter is half. I dont always tell people about them right away, and its amazing what people are willing to say about other races...when they arent around. San Diego isnt even THAT racist compared to other parts of the country. But Ive heard so much racist shit spit out of peoples mouths down here towards Black people its ridiculous, and not just from Whites.
.:DaYg0sTyLz:.:
--- Quote from: Teddy Roosevelt on April 11, 2011, 05:58:45 PM ---
--- Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on April 11, 2011, 05:55:42 PM ---
--- Quote from: Russell Bell on April 11, 2011, 05:26:05 PM ---Yes, but: number of blacks who voted for him cause he's black = majority (how many black republicans do you know??)
number of people who didn't vote for him cause he's black = minority
You are waaaaaaaay overestimating the number of white people (or people in general) who voted against him cause he's black. Most that voted against him that I know did so because they are Republicans. Of course there was a lot, but to say number of whites who voted against him cause of his skin color is so high is not an accurate representation of mainstream society. The Reverand Jesse Jackson would agree with you I'm sure lol. Either way you look at it, the race card helped him, it didn't hurt him. White guilt these days is at an all time high.
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lol are you kidding me? If you dont realize that racism is alive and well still in this country, youre completely insane. Im not saying things arent better than before, but there are still problems. This election showed the best and the worst in a lot of people. Whites for example. It showed that there are plenty of White people that are willing to vote for a Black candidate. Thats a good thing. It also showed that there are still plenty of Whites that would NOT be willing to vote for a Black president. There are TONS of White people (an other races) who allowed race to influence their vote on this last election. White guilt wouldnt keep them from voting against Obama, it just kept them from saying it publicly. They far outweigh the extra 7% of Black vote that Obama got over Kerry. With the millions and millions of rednecks in this country, you dont think they were voting for ANYONE who would run against a Black man? He became President in spite of being Black, not because of it. Bush's reign of terror helped out alot too though.
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It's hard to say. How many of those rednecks simply voted against him because they are Republicans? It would be interesting to see a black Republican and white Democrat run for president.
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It would. I know what youre saying, because for some reason poor rednecks in the south still seem to vote Republican. I guess they feel as though the rich whites give a fuck about the poor ones. Who knows. Maybe being common Bible thumpers helps too.
And maybe that was a bad example, i think the people youd really have to find out about wouldnt be rednecks.
Russell Bell:
--- Quote from: Teddy Roosevelt on April 11, 2011, 05:58:45 PM ---
--- Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on April 11, 2011, 05:55:42 PM ---
--- Quote from: Russell Bell on April 11, 2011, 05:26:05 PM ---Yes, but: number of blacks who voted for him cause he's black = majority (how many black republicans do you know??)
number of people who didn't vote for him cause he's black = minority
You are waaaaaaaay overestimating the number of white people (or people in general) who voted against him cause he's black. Most that voted against him that I know did so because they are Republicans. Of course there was a lot, but to say number of whites who voted against him cause of his skin color is so high is not an accurate representation of mainstream society. The Reverand Jesse Jackson would agree with you I'm sure lol. Either way you look at it, the race card helped him, it didn't hurt him. White guilt these days is at an all time high.
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lol are you kidding me? If you dont realize that racism is alive and well still in this country, youre completely insane. Im not saying things arent better than before, but there are still problems. This election showed the best and the worst in a lot of people. Whites for example. It showed that there are plenty of White people that are willing to vote for a Black candidate. Thats a good thing. It also showed that there are still plenty of Whites that would NOT be willing to vote for a Black president. There are TONS of White people (an other races) who allowed race to influence their vote on this last election. White guilt wouldnt keep them from voting against Obama, it just kept them from saying it publicly. They far outweigh the extra 7% of Black vote that Obama got over Kerry. With the millions and millions of rednecks in this country, you dont think they were voting for ANYONE who would run against a Black man? He became President in spite of being Black, not because of it. Bush's reign of terror helped out alot too though.
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It's hard to say. How many of those rednecks simply voted against him because they are Republicans? It would be interesting to see a black Republican and white Democrat run for president.
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Exactly. That's what I was also saying. That many "rednecks" probably voted for McCain cause he was a Republican. Wouldn't matter if it was John Edwards or Obama, they were voting for the OTHER guy. I never said racism wasn't alive in this country. To the contrary. There is racism everywhere, against many races and perpetrated by many races. Go to a school anywhere in California and see how many Mexicans can get away with saying "white boy" in a derogatory way, then see what happens to the kid who says "spic". You can also go to a rural school with 2 black kids total and see the good ol boy treatment they may receive. Also, I mentioned white guilt in the context of more whites wanting to vote for the black dude over the white dude because they may be seen as progressive or in step with "change". Of course this wasn't most, but I think a lot of people in California fit this profile. So his race helped him sweep the black vote and grab up "progressive" white votes. White so called "rednecks" were voting Republican regardless.
Teddy Roosevelt:
All I'm saying is that being black helped with the black vote more than it hurt with the white vote. As I pointed out, he managed to get more of the white vote than Kerry. Even if you explain this by saying Obama was more charismatic or appealing, or that Bush was a stronger candidate than McCain, white people were definitely willing to vote for him. Most of the white racist would vote Republican anyways. That's why it would be interesting to see a black Republican vs. a white Democrat. What would the rednecks and black people do? Both groups would feel like their vote wasn't right no matter which candidate they picked.
.:DaYg0sTyLz:.:
--- Quote from: Teddy Roosevelt on April 11, 2011, 06:16:36 PM ---All I'm saying is that being black helped with the black vote more than it hurt with the white vote. As I pointed out, he managed to get more of the white vote than Kerry. Even if you explain this by saying Obama was more charismatic or appealing, or that Bush was a stronger candidate than McCain, white people were definitely willing to vote for him. Most of the white racist would vote Republican anyways. That's why it would be interesting to see a black Republican vs. a white Democrat. What would the rednecks and black people do? Both groups would feel like their vote wasn't right no matter which candidate they picked.
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The reason I said the redneck example was a bad one, is because of what you just said. Most openly racist White people probably would have voted for McCain (which says alot actually). Its the White people who were either on the fence, or not openly racist. Like I said, there are a lot of people who may not be flat out racist...but still not comfortable having a Black president. I can ONLY see his race helping him with the Black vote. But absolutely not with the White vote, and Whites make up a much larger percentage of the voting public. And this isnt even including any other races, only Whites and Blacks. Its difficult to compare Kerry and Obamas percentages because of the mindset of the country at the time of both elections. Had Kerry ran in this election instead of Obama, he very well could have seen the same types of percentages from those two groups. I personally think he would have seen a slightly higher percentage amongst White voters than Obama did, and a slightly lower percentage amongst Black voters than Obama did. The people were fed up with Bush, completely. Again, McCain was unfortunate enough to be the Republican candidate FOLLOWING Bush. When Kerry ran, Bush was able to campaign on fear. The American people were convinced that a change in President during wartime would spell doom for the country lol. Presidents popularity tends to increase during war.
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