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What do you think of LeBron's overall performance in the Finals?
7even:
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--- Quote from: 7even on June 14, 2011, 01:31:10 AM ---^I wouldn't really call it choking. It's not like me missed huge FTs (ála Wade) or dribbled the ball on his foot and turned it over (ála Wade) or killed it until crunch time began. It's more like he just wasn't quite there.
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even worse...at least wade tried. lebron was fine being a role player. why are u still backing him up when u saw it first hand....ask ur mav players what they think of lebron.
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Stevenson is a tough nigga and I like that he is bullying the shit out of the Heat, especially out of LeBron - because most Mavs are rather nice/calm guys, a tough ass nigga who gets into people's heads is needed.
I don't back him up.. I'm just saying that choking is not the right word to describe what LeBron did. To me choking is more like playing well and then folding under pressure and consequently making major mistakes as a result of it. But LeBron never played really well for his standards (aside from the 1st game maaaaybe) and he also didn't make awkward mistakes. He played like a role player. Obviously not enough for a player of his stature and bad, no doubt, just not the classic choke-job in my book. I honestly can't say what exactly happened. He played very well in crunch time against the Bulls and Celtics. Him transforming into a role player just because it was "the Finals" doesn't cut it as a valid explanation to me.
theremedy360:
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TraceOneInfinite:
--- Quote from: NIKCC on June 14, 2011, 03:34:31 PM ---
--- Quote from: Infinite- African West Coastin' 2010 on June 14, 2011, 02:40:24 PM ---
--- Quote from: NIKCC on June 13, 2011, 05:07:25 PM ---
LOL...come on, dude, u have to be BLIND to not see that the guy has underperformed in the biggest moments of each of his 8 seasons in the league. That LeBron quote is ridiculously egotistical for someone who just sucked ass in the Finals and exactly why he will never live up to the GOATs he's always compared to. Because if one of the GOATs EVER underperformed as bad as LeBron did, they'd be the first to take blame and say "i'm gunna work on my game all summer long so that I dont repeat the same mistakes next year"...LeBron, however, comes across as if he feels like he's already the "King", no matter what, and that it doesn't matter if he wins or not, cuz no matter what, it's never his fault. The guy has no heart, no killer instinct, and no passion, and I'd be really shocked if u truly can't see it, being that u are a huge MJ fan and all.
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Well, what do you mean by "underperformed". Because you never considered Lebron to be the best player in the game anyway, so why would you say he "underperformed". I mean, why not just say that people had too high of expectations for him?
And I don't think he's any more egotistical that Kobe is. And remember when Kobe got accused of checking out a few years ago? You defended Kobe then.
See I never thought Lebron was better than Jordan, or better than Kobe, and now it looks like he's not even the best on his own team. It seems Wade is better. Lebron was facing fierce double teams and brilliant zone defense schemes all series. I think people just had too high of expectations for him. He's trying to stay positive, not every player thrives off beating themselves up after a tough loss.
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underperformed, meaning he averaged 27 points in the regular season and 17 in the Finals...meaning he doesn't fare well in pressure situations, as history has proven. meaning he doesnt have the tenacity and killer instinct of a kobe, jordan, magic etc...it's pretty simple, dude. the guy is more dominique wilkins than he is michael jordan, and there's nothing wrong with that...it's simply not what everyone, INCLUDING HIMSELF, has made him out to be...remember, he is the SELF-anointed "King"...no one else gave him that title, that's what he thinks of himself as. Only, a true King is a natural born leader and LeBron, obviously, is not. He brought it all on himself...don't forget, just a few months ago he claimed that he would lead the Miami Heat to over 7 championships...the guy is a joke...a talented joke, but for all the hype surrounding him, he is not some special once in a lifetime gift that we are lucky to "witness"...he's just a good basketball player..
as for Kobe, he has every right to be egotistical, because he has already proven that he can deliver...there's a huge difference between being cocky because uv been there and done that and being cocky because everyone is on your nuts, even though you haven't backed it up...besides that, Kobe has NEVER been relegated to role player status, the way LeBron was throughout the whole Finals. those are the comparisons that are annoying as fuck, dawg...two players. one very good. one very great. there is a huge gap between the two, and i dunno what to say if u really cant see that.
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yeah, I mean we are both pretty much thinking the same thing, it's just a difference over semantics.
Like you say he underperformed but then you say he always chockes and has no killer instinct. So if he only did what he always does then I wouldn't call it "underperforming" cause thats what we expected, right?
Then all I said was he's no more arrogant than Kobe and you agreed to that, you just said Kobe has a right to be arrogant, which is true because Kobe has always lived up to the hype and even exceeded it.
I just thought the Lebron hate was going to far. He may not be biult like Jordan and Kobe. Where Jordan and Kobe have a drive to be the greatest maybe Lebron is more focused on family and his personal life or off the court stuff.
Whatever it is I just thought the hate was going too far. I mean it's not his fault people treat him like a God, he's human, and any human being would have a hard time not lettin that shit go to their head.
But your assessment of Lebron as a player has always been spot on.
Sccit:
--- Quote from: 7even on June 14, 2011, 03:37:31 PM ---
--- Quote from: NIKCC on June 14, 2011, 12:54:54 PM ---
--- Quote from: 7even on June 14, 2011, 01:31:10 AM ---^I wouldn't really call it choking. It's not like me missed huge FTs (ála Wade) or dribbled the ball on his foot and turned it over (ála Wade) or killed it until crunch time began. It's more like he just wasn't quite there.
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even worse...at least wade tried. lebron was fine being a role player. why are u still backing him up when u saw it first hand....ask ur mav players what they think of lebron.
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Stevenson is a tough nigga and I like that he is bullying the shit out of the Heat, especially out of LeBron - because most Mavs are rather nice/calm guys, a tough ass nigga who gets into people's heads is needed.
I don't back him up.. I'm just saying that choking is not the right word to describe what LeBron did. To me choking is more like playing well and then folding under pressure and consequently making major mistakes as a result of it. But LeBron never played really well for his standards (aside from the 1st game maaaaybe) and he also didn't make awkward mistakes. He played like a role player. Obviously not enough for a player of his stature and bad, no doubt, just not the classic choke-job in my book. I honestly can't say what exactly happened. He played very well in crunch time against the Bulls and Celtics. Him transforming into a role player just because it was "the Finals" doesn't cut it as a valid explanation to me.
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him transforming into a role player because it was the Finals is a perfect explanation and a classic example of a choke-job....there is way more pressure in the Finals than there is against weak ass Boston and Chicago. so he was good against those teams, played calm and composed, but CHOKED when the real pressure arrived. crystal clear....and deshawn aint the only one talkin shit. jason terry was on the radio yesterday sayin lebron couldnt handle the pressure and folded. everybody in the world knows whats up by now, other than cham. even u know whats up, ur just subtly defending him because u still like him.
Sccit:
--- Quote from: Infinite- African West Coastin' 2010 on June 15, 2011, 11:46:16 AM ---
--- Quote from: NIKCC on June 14, 2011, 03:34:31 PM ---
--- Quote from: Infinite- African West Coastin' 2010 on June 14, 2011, 02:40:24 PM ---
--- Quote from: NIKCC on June 13, 2011, 05:07:25 PM ---
LOL...come on, dude, u have to be BLIND to not see that the guy has underperformed in the biggest moments of each of his 8 seasons in the league. That LeBron quote is ridiculously egotistical for someone who just sucked ass in the Finals and exactly why he will never live up to the GOATs he's always compared to. Because if one of the GOATs EVER underperformed as bad as LeBron did, they'd be the first to take blame and say "i'm gunna work on my game all summer long so that I dont repeat the same mistakes next year"...LeBron, however, comes across as if he feels like he's already the "King", no matter what, and that it doesn't matter if he wins or not, cuz no matter what, it's never his fault. The guy has no heart, no killer instinct, and no passion, and I'd be really shocked if u truly can't see it, being that u are a huge MJ fan and all.
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Well, what do you mean by "underperformed". Because you never considered Lebron to be the best player in the game anyway, so why would you say he "underperformed". I mean, why not just say that people had too high of expectations for him?
And I don't think he's any more egotistical that Kobe is. And remember when Kobe got accused of checking out a few years ago? You defended Kobe then.
See I never thought Lebron was better than Jordan, or better than Kobe, and now it looks like he's not even the best on his own team. It seems Wade is better. Lebron was facing fierce double teams and brilliant zone defense schemes all series. I think people just had too high of expectations for him. He's trying to stay positive, not every player thrives off beating themselves up after a tough loss.
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underperformed, meaning he averaged 27 points in the regular season and 17 in the Finals...meaning he doesn't fare well in pressure situations, as history has proven. meaning he doesnt have the tenacity and killer instinct of a kobe, jordan, magic etc...it's pretty simple, dude. the guy is more dominique wilkins than he is michael jordan, and there's nothing wrong with that...it's simply not what everyone, INCLUDING HIMSELF, has made him out to be...remember, he is the SELF-anointed "King"...no one else gave him that title, that's what he thinks of himself as. Only, a true King is a natural born leader and LeBron, obviously, is not. He brought it all on himself...don't forget, just a few months ago he claimed that he would lead the Miami Heat to over 7 championships...the guy is a joke...a talented joke, but for all the hype surrounding him, he is not some special once in a lifetime gift that we are lucky to "witness"...he's just a good basketball player..
as for Kobe, he has every right to be egotistical, because he has already proven that he can deliver...there's a huge difference between being cocky because uv been there and done that and being cocky because everyone is on your nuts, even though you haven't backed it up...besides that, Kobe has NEVER been relegated to role player status, the way LeBron was throughout the whole Finals. those are the comparisons that are annoying as fuck, dawg...two players. one very good. one very great. there is a huge gap between the two, and i dunno what to say if u really cant see that.
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yeah, I mean we are both pretty much thinking the same thing, it's just a difference over semantics.
Like you say he underperformed but then you say he always chockes and has no killer instinct. So if he only did what he always does then I wouldn't call it "underperforming" cause thats what we expected, right?
Then all I said was he's no more arrogant than Kobe and you agreed to that, you just said Kobe has a right to be arrogant, which is true because Kobe has always lived up to the hype and even exceeded it.
I just thought the Lebron hate was going to far. He may not be biult like Jordan and Kobe. Where Jordan and Kobe have a drive to be the greatest maybe Lebron is more focused on family and his personal life or off the court stuff.
Whatever it is I just thought the hate was going too far. I mean it's not his fault people treat him like a God, he's human, and any human being would have a hard time not lettin that shit go to their head.
But your assessment of Lebron as a player has always been spot on.
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yup...but i dont think the hate has gone too far, because lebron has brought it all on himself. when u arrange a championship style celebration/parade before the season starts, ur even pretty much askin for it if u don't succeed. other than that, ur 100% right...Peace
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